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Jan 26, 2015
8:26:37am

Mantis Mutu

BYU's situation is much worse than most. Blame the strange, utterly complex

dynamic that is BYU & Church loyalty -- blame that long before you get around to blaming Bronco & staff.

Hey, I'm a pretty significant critic of Bronco on a good many things. The guys not as great a HC as many believe...but I have his back more & more on the recruiting difficulties.

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Mantis Mutu

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A reason BYU sometimes doesn't show early, hard interest in certain legacy kids

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 4:55am

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

lilpenny

1/26/15 5:51am

Not like BYU, they don't. Bringing up Meyer & Saban in this discussion is laugh

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 6:06am

Funny, Urban Meyer is trying to get Porter Gustin to commit to Ohio St.

lilpenny

1/26/15 8:47am

lilpenny, you may be the only one left who doesn't smell the rat in that one.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:50am

That's one way to look at it.

SJS

1/26/15 6:08am

You seem to be generalizing a bit with this post - Seems unfair to refer to

oxcoug

1/26/15 6:21am

I think it's very common in Utah County. There are also many folk here who

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 6:26am

Yes, it's probably really common that guys who would absolutely be on BYU's

russkiejedi

1/26/15 7:17am

The problem is when they get to school & have problems starting out

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 7:30am

Were Leavitt and Kearsley legacy kids? Or are you pointing out a problem that's

russkiejedi

1/26/15 8:10am

They were LDS kids with a healthy feel of entitlement. That much is unambiguous.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:14am

And guys transfer from other schools (sometimes to BYU) for the same reasons.

russkiejedi

1/26/15 8:22am

BYU's situation is much worse than most. Blame the strange, utterly complex

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:26am

I don't buy it that he has it that much worse than others. He benefits greatly

russkiejedi

1/26/15 8:35am

My personal experience.

Blueto

1/26/15 6:34am

I'm sorry. I hope that works out. If I were in your shoes

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 6:40am

Has he reached out to BYU?

cougrfan70

1/26/15 2:21pm

That's not the way it works.

El Fuego

1/26/15 2:35pm

I disagree with you. My son is vying for scholarships at several

cougrfan70

1/26/15 5:09pm

exactly. and it's not even just on the player and university. the hs coach also

macaroni

1/26/15 8:02pm

He doesn't get to choose how the recruiting game is played. He needs the best

russkiejedi

1/26/15 6:49am

I disagree entirely. First & foremost he has a team to manage.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 6:51am

No, first and foremost, he has football games to win. And he's at a school where

russkiejedi

1/26/15 7:07am

Bronco's earlier recruiting model left a lot to be desired

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 7:19am

See blueto's comment above. I'm not talking about an offer, but why would BYU

russkiejedi

1/26/15 7:25am

Not to invalidate blueto's situation, but it's entirely anecdotal, no matter

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 7:36am

Again, I'm not talking about offers... I'm talking about interest. He's

russkiejedi

1/26/15 7:40am

Possibly. I don't know the situation, either way.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 7:45am

Again, I'm aware of the schollie crunch and not blaming BYU for anything. It's

Blueto

1/26/15 8:04am

I'm honestly sorry for your situation, blueto. I've just followed BYU recruiting

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:22am

But you follow it from the outside, with no real basis to draw from

macaroni

1/26/15 8:38am

Like I just said in this thread, the egos who put themselves over other players

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:45am

So who are you talking about, then?

russkiejedi

1/26/15 8:49am

So if we're willing to accept the nice, polished public statements of

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:53am

So what's the real reason they left? I don't even understand where you're going

russkiejedi

1/26/15 8:59am

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I take issue with your OP.

Blueto

1/26/15 8:14am

I never ever said that, man.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:18am

Then maybe you need to reexamine the way you're expressing your thoughts because

Non-donor troll

1/26/15 10:53am

Mind pointing out a single sentence?

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 11:07am

Really?

Non-donor troll

1/26/15 11:15am

I don't have a dog in this fight but it seems, from what I read on the board,

CrackerJack

1/26/15 9:38am

And that post confirms how important it is to get

messi

1/26/15 9:44am

I'm not arguing that at all.

CrackerJack

1/26/15 9:46am

Love the Collies, but I tend to agree. Austin seemed particularly bad.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:48am

But your OP seems to be an argument that BYU would be better off not having guys

russkiejedi

1/26/15 10:44am

Bull. Austin never played BYU in the recruiting process. And I never said

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 11:06am

Outside of Porter Gustin, who isn't getting an offer for reasons that have

russkiejedi

1/26/15 11:20am

then get used to 4 to 8 win seasons. athletes are who they are. what you've

macaroni

1/26/15 7:40am

I don't buy that the two priorities are mutually exclusive.

couldge

1/26/15 8:32am

Egos that put themselves over other players is one thing

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:40am

What a trial for the entire coaching staff

DapperDan

1/26/15 7:33am

Interesting choice for illustrating the tough life.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 7:39am

He's the only one that can appreciate just how tough Bronco has it

DapperDan

1/26/15 7:55am

I surely hope you're joking, Dapper.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:17am

So drama queen players are bad, but a drama queen head coach is okay?

1/26/15 7:40am

RE: A reason BYU sometimes doesn't show early, hard interest in certain legacy

rckrunner

1/26/15 7:50am

"So they only have the potential to be distractions at BYU and not other places?

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:12am

What?

russkiejedi

1/26/15 8:16am

there could be some truth that bronco struggles to control players more than a

Bronoc

1/26/15 8:18am

huh?

macaroni

1/26/15 8:46am

Wha?

ebv

1/26/15 8:53am

Come again?

messi

1/26/15 9:18am

Wow, that made zero sense whatsoever.

1/26/15 10:24am

So some kids who are distractions here would be distractions most anywhere?

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 4:44pm

RE: "So they only have the potential to be distractions at BYU and not other

rckrunner

1/26/15 5:39pm

So Bronco doesn't like D1 quality athletes...

1/26/15 7:52am

i can't take any of your posts seriously until you adequately explain why

nashty

1/26/15 8:46am

Newsflash: Elite athletes from elitely athletic families have elite egos.

ebv

1/26/15 8:52am

THIS^^^^^^^

HotBox

1/26/15 9:03am

And when their egos extend beyond other players to the team & school

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:10am

I find this answer completely unsatisfying, honestly

BYUtiful

1/26/15 9:12am

I'd agree if BYU didn't have such a unique problem being the uncool HC school

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:22am

RE: I'd agree if BYU didn't have such a unique problem being the uncool HC

DapperDan

1/26/15 9:24am

I was hoping I was dealing with something more than just hillbillies here.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:27am

i think you missed my point; the fact we're the uncool school is PRECISELY the

BYUtiful

1/26/15 10:32am

I think Bronco's way of dealing with this is to identify & offer as early as

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 11:10am

i think his approach has been successful at locking in the kind of kids he

BYUtiful

1/26/15 11:14am

It's his job to deal with these types; if he doesn't like it, he shouldn't coach

spinner

1/26/15 9:18am

Like all coaches he wants to use his time & resources on people

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:32am

He should use time and resources on WINNING

spinner

1/26/15 9:35am

Bronco deals with plenty of prima donnas every season, every recruiting class.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:39am

Then why not legacy kids who are prima donnas?

spinner

1/26/15 9:51am

Each situation is unique. Some unhealthily entitled kids can be worked with

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:54am

But yet many go on to great careers at other schools

spinner

1/26/15 10:13am

I think he worries about the negative impact it has upon his team

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 10:21am

So why the OP then? What you're

macaroni

1/26/15 11:44am

I'm getting the impression that you don't know many

macaroni

1/26/15 11:34am

That's called, "recruiting"

ChopperDave

1/26/15 9:43am

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