Program wise, which way is the offense trending? Many of us are happy

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Dec 3, 2024
9:45:04am

gopman All-American

Program wise, which way is the offense trending? Many of us are happy

to see the QB & OL make progress but there are "troubling issues" the last two years that aren't seeming to be addressed.

The run game, consistency, game prep, offensive pace & red zone performance are concerning.

Austin Collie, David Nixon, Jarom Jordan, Trevor Matich have brought up valid concerns.

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PPG under ARod and how it relates to pace of play

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:08am

Are those ppg stats just points scored by the offense?

Garn

Dec 3, 9:10am

Nope. But they never are. As I said, it all comes out in the wash. If you're

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:13am

IDK if you can say it comes out in the wash this year when we've had 4(!) kick

Cougs2012

Dec 3, 12:01pm

It's a really deceptive stat this year because the defense scored a ton

bulletproof

Dec 3, 9:13am

Then you better add points to his PPG last year and in 2022 when the defense

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:15am

I am saying nothing about AROD as a coordinator I have no opinion on that

bulletproof

Dec 3, 9:17am

What other way would you prefer?

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:18am

Wouldn't points per drive be better?

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:23am

This. Or yards per play or offensive efficiency numbers.

bulletproof

Dec 3, 11:07am

Let's use red zone scoring percentage…

ochobeeguy

Dec 3, 1:49pm

BYU was very good in red zone scoring percentage.

kimdaddy35

Dec 3, 1:55pm

I'm not sure what my point was. What are you talking about?

ochobeeguy

Dec 3, 2:05pm

And also they were 48th total (even behind Utes) and 96th in TDs

ochobeeguy

Dec 3, 2:12pm

Out of 68 P4 programs, BYU was 27th in redzone offense- middle 3rd

Dec 3, 2:16pm

When considering we are still playing with a lot of guys we recruited as a G5 it

puntersarepeople

Dec 3, 2:23pm

How do you compare against other teams w/o also taking away their D/ST scores?

ldssdl

Dec 3, 9:23am

Again, if you're going to penalize ARod for that this year, you've got to

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:27am

There are been WAY more non-offensive scores this year than really any time in

Dec 3, 10:58am

But to the OP’s point, you could attribute that success to the defense being

stoils

Dec 3, 1:17pm

WRONG. You must look at ever stat in a vacuum and ignore everything else.

macdizzle

Dec 3, 1:29pm

Wait, isn't that kind of what you are doing?

bulletproof

Dec 3, 3:10pm

This is deceptive bc 3 kick/punt returns alone skew ppg nearly 2 points making

Dec 3, 10:24am

4

bulletproof

Dec 3, 10:32am

...thats right, the botched onsides kick vs Hou by Alfrey, so 28/12= +2.33 ppg

Dec 3, 11:01am

What are the scoring stats in the last four games of the last two years

chirocoug

Dec 3, 2:53pm

it's the not getting the plays in promptly that bugs me

Count Cougar

Dec 3, 9:12am

This is totally fair

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:14am

But it isn't. The data literally doesn't bear out what he's saying.

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:17am

Hahaha and how many timeouts did we use? And how many times did we get to the

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:22am

How many delay of games did we have this year?

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:14am

How many precious timeouts did we burn to avoid a delay of game penalty?

HRCougar

Dec 3, 9:17am

Less than 4 or 5 all season.

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:19am

It is not less than 4 or 5. Sorry, that's just not true.

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:23am

Go back and look at each game. Track how many times we burned timeouts because

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:25am

If you haven't, I am not going to. But it's more than 4 or 5. I have a text

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:27am

There is a reason Sitake is known for not having timeouts at the ends of halves.

MarylandFan

Dec 3, 10:04am

The announcers in multiple games pointed it out

TheLoanArranger

Dec 3, 10:43am

It was like 1 or 2 a game.

Adwight

Dec 3, 1:56pm

Great analysis. Thanks!

Dec 3, 9:13am

I know it wouldn’t change the numbers a whole lot, but I think it’d be important

Adam_Pontipee

Dec 3, 9:17am

We were worse in the last 4 games. We were up in the 38 PPG range before

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:21am

Why would you add points? Either the offense scored them or they didn't.

byubyu

Dec 3, 9:32am

If what you say is true BYU football is doomed

HRCougar

Dec 3, 9:20am

I am right. And yes it will be. IF you think our recruiting is going to suddenly

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:22am

But it already has. Being in a P4 conference WILL and HAS changed this

fulano

Dec 3, 10:07am

Except it wasn't this year overall. It was amazing. Also 2021 with 7 P5 games

NYC and Japan

Dec 3, 10:24am

Anyone that thinks ARod is solely responsible for decisions on pace of play is ignorant

kccougar

Dec 3, 9:21am

When the ball is snapped, yes. But I don't think those decisions cover when the

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:26am

How many times this year did this happen?

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:28am

Several. Not pervasive, but enough it is a talking point among those who discuss

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:30am

Didn't Kalani say in his ASU post game interview that we needed to increase

the rural juror

Dec 3, 9:27am

He could just as easily be blaming himself as ARod with that comment

puntersarepeople

Dec 3, 11:49am

For sure.

the rural juror

Dec 3, 12:41pm

BYU is ranked 17th. BYU finished the regular season 10-2.

HuskerFan2

Dec 3, 9:31am

BYU fans are like most fans--absurd with absurd expectations.

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:32am

I guess we are "fanatics"

HuskerFan2

Dec 3, 9:33am

The offense struggled mightily the last few games, it’s not like they were on

kotacoug

Dec 3, 10:36am

For measures that included SOS, our offensive ratings stayed fairly constant the

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 10:41am

RE: BYU is ranked 17th. BYU finished the regular season 10-2.

Cougarclaw

Dec 3, 9:32am

As a Nebraska fan you would understand. My problem is A Rod's tendency to make

Adwight

Dec 3, 9:38am

All plays are boneheaded when they don't work.

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:39am

Yeah I think of those 10% only 10-20% (so 1-2%) total don't make sense to me.

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:41am

Disagree.

Adwight

Dec 3, 9:45am

Some of the plays that appear to be bone headed are actually throwing in variety

NYC and Japan

Dec 3, 10:36am

100% this. ARod is good, not great.

Garn

Dec 3, 11:09am

ARod is average at best... not even good.

Coug

Dec 3, 11:34am

This was the same pro-Tuiaki argument

vegas guey

Dec 3, 9:44am

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chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:46am

Program wise, which way is the offense trending? Many of us are happy

gopman

Dec 3, 9:45am

Up. Performance all around this year was up in the second year in the Big 12

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:47am

Definitely better then last year but it was clear that the defense & special

gopman

Dec 3, 9:49am

It's been a long time since we had an explosive and high-scoring offense, and

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:51am

Pace of play is a team choice. Red zone performance was outstanding through 1st

NYC and Japan

Dec 3, 10:39am

Re: the fade against KU. It was an option in the play package.

Captain Stubing

Dec 3, 9:51am

Every receiver in a play like that is going to be an option.

JuicyJam

Dec 3, 10:42am

Note that many of the same fans who screamed at Anae for GFGH are screaming at

Abe Froman

Dec 3, 9:53am

I generally didn't have a problem with the pace.

JuicyJam

Dec 3, 10:43am

Slow pace of play limits our own opportunities.

Captain Stubing

Dec 3, 10:04am

BYU is top 10 in 4th down conversion rate. Bad example by you

NYC and Japan

Dec 3, 10:43am

4th downs are a fraction of 3rd downs & BYU ranked 61st of 68 P4 on 3rd down

Dec 3, 11:33am

BYU averaged 2.8 points per drive in 2024, 1.8 in 2023, 2.8 in 2022, 3.0 in 2021, 3.8 in 2020, 2.2 in 2019 & 2019.

Spiff

Dec 3, 11:19am

Data is skewed by BYU defense leading nation creating 20 Int/short fields for

Dec 3, 11:31am

And skewed the opposite way in 23 and 22 when the D was bad. ARod should get

macdizzle

Dec 3, 11:40am

And 2021

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 11:42am

Average starting field position 2024: BYU 32. 2023: BYU 30. 2022: BYU 30. 2021: BYU 29. 2020: BYU 30

Spiff

Dec 3, 2:05pm

You don’t win 10+ games with bad coaching

Pretorian

Dec 3, 11:41am

but not every coach is equal, meaning as a unit it's sound, but there are

Dec 3, 11:54am

Nobody is saying anyone is perfect… 10 or 11 Ws is fantastic though

Pretorian

Dec 3, 5:54pm

Running a low amount of plays may correlate with less injuries this year

Jwine21

Dec 3, 11:49am

That could be part of it, but I also feel depth and rotating many more players

Dec 3, 11:52am

Is that unique compared to past years?

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 12:02pm

yes, not near the rotation number, so starters getting way more reps and

Dec 3, 12:09pm

I'm not sure how that's true when the complaint against Lamb/Tuiaki was too many

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 3:55pm

This is a great analysis. My main concern with ARod is that he seems unwilling

Ferb

Dec 3, 12:01pm

He says that all the time. On Coordinator's Corner after the OSU game he kicked

macdizzle

Dec 3, 12:12pm

That's good to hear. I must have missed that.

Ferb

Dec 3, 1:04pm

Arod is that you?

Ten_Hour_Drives

Dec 3, 12:39pm

I think losing Kiem in the Utah game had as big of a repercussion as anything.

ImuaKahuku

Dec 3, 12:43pm

RE: Pace of play. I think this is something that Kalani, ARod, and Jay have all agreed to.

Dec 3, 2:13pm

How can you say the fade throw was a bad call? Explain that one to me? I'm not talking outcome or execution.

KYU

Dec 3, 9:38pm

It’s a bad call because Jake has NEVER executed it successfully

stoils

Dec 3, 10:30pm

That’s ridiculous

KYU

12:04am

He nailed it to Hill in the 2 point conversion vs…. SMU was it…

Pretorian

3:37am

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