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Sep 15, 2023
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Tokolosh
Stop the Stupid party member
No thanks. But being a finance manager over a vehicle product line sure is stressful…
when you can’t make money on the vehicles and have to shelve or outsource product after product because the unions make it impossible to manufacture in the US.
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These UAW demands are amazing.
Abe Froman
9/15/23 7:35am
Seems like a non-starter to get pensions added back.
KingDave
9/15/23 7:40am
All you have to do is go through bankruptcy and the pension is worthless. 401k
TailgateU
9/15/23 11:04am
First rule of negotiation, anchor high. And UAW did just that.
WDaddy
9/15/23 7:41am
Worked great for the PAC 12.
Tokolosh
9/15/23 7:42am
The PAC didn't know when to back off the high demands. Same will happen to UAW
Corn Pop
9/15/23 7:48am
Betcha George Kliavkoff is advising the UAW 😃
Chad Francisco
9/15/23 7:57am
But the PAC didn’t have POTUS backing them. UAW might.
NYC and Japan
9/15/23 8:20am
Unless you're the pac12
machete
9/15/23 7:43am
Lol that’s true. They anchored high with no leverage and got called on their BS.
WDaddy
9/15/23 7:47am
AI and automation are not the threat to the US. It is the ridiculous expectations and sense of entitlement
BYU Tar Heel
9/15/23 7:44am
The concessions they got were really good so I don’t get the strike
Turnpike Lane
9/15/23 7:44am
UAW is asking for too much. Hollywood has been screwing over writers for decades
IrishBlue
9/15/23 8:22am
The writers who are valuable will get paid and the rest will be replaced by ChatGPT
BYU Tar Heel
9/15/23 8:36am
I think they’ll get the 32 hour week. Recent studies show it works
Longseason
9/15/23 7:45am
For office workers, not on a factory line. That’s crazy.
NotRelated
9/15/23 7:50am
Good point. Still think they’ll get it
Longseason
9/15/23 7:56am
I believe there are studies out of South Korean manufacturing plants that showed
downtownchrisbrown
9/15/23 8:00am
What happens when that becomes the norm and is too much for them? Workers then want a 28 hour work week?
No touching
9/15/23 8:08am
It isn't about what they want as much as what's productive. Sometimes less=more
runnincoug
9/15/23 8:19am
I keep hearing this but it seems like if it were true they wouldn’t have to
CaliforniaCougar22
9/15/23 8:28am
Alot of people don't believe research that contradicts their beliefs including
runnincoug
9/15/23 9:16am
As they are a union they do.
originalsocal
9/15/23 9:47am
But you then must hire more workers anyway. Or, just automate everything.
LeGrandBleu
9/15/23 8:29am
Productivity follows an S curve with a very truncated start. Workers fulfill the most valuable task first, then the next
RobertCohn
9/15/23 10:11am
Just remember how easy it is to lie with statistics. Productivity per hour
delbert
9/15/23 11:56am
I would think it would be more true for factory floor where the work is
IrishBlue
9/15/23 8:24am
But in an auto plant you are on a line. It doesn’t matter how energized you are,
cougsareforreal
9/15/23 1:46pm
UAW is just begging Ford and GM to ship jobs overseas 🤡
Chad Francisco
9/15/23 7:45am
Shift back to defined benefit pensions?
Indy Coug
9/15/23 7:47am
1965 called and wants its retirement plan back
Chad Francisco
9/15/23 7:49am
Wait. You can call people back then?
TNT
9/15/23 7:51am
Oh yeah, 1965 telegraphed and wants its retirement plan back
Chad Francisco
9/15/23 7:54am
Fascinating. Maybe TNT will call his grandmother
TNT
9/15/23 7:55am
Might have to bring in Pony Express for that one
Chad Francisco
9/15/23 7:57am
I like it. The defined benefit could be $1 per week.
TeeKaa
9/15/23 8:04am
That’s too high
Chad Francisco
9/15/23 8:09am
$1 quarterly.
TeeKaa
9/15/23 8:19am
Better, folks should be responsible for own retirement, that’s what 401k for!
Chad Francisco
9/15/23 8:57am
If they only have a DB plan, employer retirement contributions go WAAAAAY down.
TeeKaa
9/15/23 9:11am
I support the idea of unions but too many are way too greedy and turn me off
runnincoug
9/15/23 7:48am
Try being a first line supervisor at an OE and get back to me...
Catfish
9/15/23 7:52am
No thanks. But being a finance manager over a vehicle product line sure is stressful…
Tokolosh
9/15/23 8:01am
It's the worst.
MotorCityCoug
9/15/23 8:58am
I have mixed feelings. My step-father worked for Goodyear Aerospace and was a
AF_Puma
9/15/23 8:26am
I agree! Unions can be really important. I want to be pro union, but...
runnincoug
9/15/23 9:26am
100 years ago, yes. Now? Unions suck, especially the ones you listed.
TeeKaa
9/15/23 9:45am
As long as CEO pay is completely insane we will unfortunately need unions
Mitty
9/15/23 10:31am
CEOs get paid $$$ because they make the tough decisions that have huge impact. A person with even a slightly higher
RobertCohn
9/15/23 10:42am
Yeah, they do. Their huge bonuses show no correlation with doing a better or
Goliath
9/15/23 10:45am
That's not true at all.
Skeptical Optimist
9/15/23 10:48am
Yes, it is
Goliath
9/15/23 11:34am
Oh, we should have called you to assess how well CEOs are doing? What are your metrics?
RobertCohn
9/15/23 11:35am
There's really no evidence paying ceos more money gets you better people.
runnincoug
9/15/23 11:05am
That's why CEO pay has so many options involved. They should be paid for success
TailgateU
9/15/23 11:11am
They have leverage and can negotiate whatever they want. Shareholders (investors) are free to say no.
RobertCohn
9/15/23 11:43am
First of all, show a CEO getting paid billions that isn't entirely performance related pay (stock).
RobertCohn
9/15/23 11:39am
I've been on BoDs hiring CEOs as well and think you're way overselling their
runnincoug
9/15/23 11:46am
You must be working with some spectacularly average CEO candidates
RobertCohn
9/15/23 11:48am
When in doubt, say the evidence against you is politically motivated I guess!
runnincoug
9/15/23 12:00pm
Lol what? It's basic math bud. Someone running a $200 B market cap company can destroy billions of value instantly by
RobertCohn
9/15/23 6:34pm
You could not be more wrong. CEOs aren't these magical people that
Mitty
9/15/23 12:09pm
I have no issue paying the CEO of Ford 20 million per year when Robert Downey Jr
delbert
9/15/23 12:05pm
Half of super bowl winning qbs over the last 10 years have been in the BOTTOM
runnincoug
9/15/23 12:26pm
Does that stay true after they won? I would expect their next negotiation to start with “so, about that Super Bowl win”
TwinsRight
9/15/23 1:03pm
oh sure. But paying a QB 10x more than another doesn't predict a SB win like
runnincoug
9/15/23 1:54pm
Paying the good ones absolutely. However companies have some pathetic ones and
Blue for Life
9/15/23 4:00pm
Most of those demands are to recapture benefits that were taken away
Everyman
9/15/23 7:50am
Moral and economic high ground? To bring back pensions?
Iman23
9/15/23 7:52am
Those demands outrageous, they lucky US still has auto industry to provide jobs
Chad Francisco
9/15/23 7:53am
Correct.
shammy
9/15/23 7:59am
And then will proceed to lose all of those cushy jobs
nova_coug_fan
9/15/23 7:54am
I'm generally not a fan of unions
Goliath
9/15/23 7:57am
<< Deleted >>
Cougarmayn
9/15/23 7:59am
None of the automakers’ stock has been strong over the past five years
RevolutionDeathsquad
9/15/23 8:16am
They are only striking at a couple of plants because they know that their funds
AggieWeekendCougar
9/15/23 7:51am
Unions-where your pay scale is determined by the least productive person
Notparticularly
9/15/23 7:56am
Execs at car companies got a 40% pay increase over the past few years
Goliath
9/15/23 7:56am
If the GM CEO reduced her salary to $0 and distributed it across all GM workers,
Skeptical Optimist
9/15/23 8:07am
The point still stands
Goliath
9/15/23 8:18am
UAW employees all got profit sharing checks in addition to regular pay.
rad dawg
9/15/23 8:19am
I don't know all the facts and details of this issue
Goliath
9/15/23 8:25am
Execs don't work 32 hour weeks
rad dawg
9/15/23 8:33am
I don't think they went on strike because they weren't getting 32 hr work weeks
Goliath
9/15/23 8:45am
You must be an exec.
Y-Phile
9/15/23 10:10am
My last CEO was amazing. Guy worked 24/7 and implemented a strategy that will
LeGrandBleu
9/15/23 11:33am
RE: I don't know all the facts and details of this issue
AggieWeekendCougar
9/15/23 8:52am
GM profit for 2022 was $23 Billion. Mary Barra's $29 Million in compensation
Skeptical Optimist
9/15/23 8:22am
You completely missed the point.
Y-Phile
9/15/23 10:07am
This is TIC right?
rad dawg
9/15/23 8:19am
What if the execs had lost 10% over the past few years, would you be in favor of
Penske Material
9/15/23 8:28am
I, for one, can't wait to pay $85,000 for a Chevy Cobalt so that low skilled
Skeptical Optimist
9/15/23 7:58am
Kids who barely graduated high school never had it so good
KingDave
9/15/23 8:02am
Sarcasm? Getting a union gig out of high school and being to raise a family, buy
vagabonder
9/15/23 8:08am
My grandpa had that 40 years ago, and for many parts of the country these Union jobs dried up long ago.
KingDave
9/15/23 8:21am
Things are different now, yes. But look at house/car/toys/vacations etc. then.
Madam Pattirini
9/15/23 8:23am
They still can. But now everyone thinks they need two cars, a 3000 sq ft home, 4 iPhones, cable and high speed internet
RobertCohn
9/15/23 9:14am
Where can someone own a home, a car, afford health insurance, plus support a
vagabonder
9/15/23 10:32am
Minimum wage is an unfair target, though.
Madam Pattirini
9/15/23 12:04pm
I don't find it offensive, though.
Madam Pattirini
9/15/23 8:10am
I get wanting more pay but 32 hrs a week is just laziness
CaliforniaCougar22
9/15/23 8:11am
I get the raises but going to a 32 hour work week.
Blue for Life
9/15/23 8:42am
RE: I get the raises but going to a 32 hour work week.
Doogal McCougar
9/15/23 8:55am
All those workers are welcome to move there abs get a job.
Blue for Life
9/15/23 9:08am
I own a ford and every part of that car says “made in Mexico” or assembled.
Magneto
9/15/23 8:47am
All three companies will be bankrupt in the next 15 years. They are dinosaurs.
BostonCougar
9/15/23 9:11am
Not all three but likely one...
Catfish
9/15/23 10:26am
This will spur on the advancement of even more manufacturing automation. Why spend $40 billion on employee wages and
buhlcougar
9/15/23 9:14am
Exactly this.
BluebloodOR
9/15/23 9:18am
Exactly this +1
Mtbcoug
9/15/23 9:32am
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