Good points. Exposure and fan access are the keys to Independence

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May 17, 2021
9:17:30am

Doogal McCougar All-American

Good points. Exposure and fan access are the keys to Independence

I do like that the expanded AAC (with BYU, Boise and SDSU) would be a national conference, with road games in California, Idaho, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Florida, Ohio, Maryland, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Tennessee. And, the media deal would still be with ESPN.

The expanded AAC could work, if the AAC officially leaves the G5 and BYU continues to play three or four P5 schools each regular season. Way easier said than done though, so I don't see it happening.

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Is there any good reason to NOT try to join the AAC?

krindorr

5/14/21 2:50pm

Geography. Memphis. Nuff said.

SinkingQuffa

5/14/21 2:51pm

Agreed, given travel/geography, it would have to be football only

krindorr

5/14/21 4:00pm

I like Beal Street.

Archaea

5/14/21 4:47pm

2, 3, and 5 are all false IMO.

Lance71

5/14/21 2:53pm

Opinions vs Facts; those teams do outdraw us and do get more money

krindorr

5/14/21 3:23pm

You are wrong about the money. BYU gets more money as an independent. Football

Cougar TD

5/14/21 5:06pm

Also, joining any conference would make it tougher to join a P5 conference since

ManicBlue

5/14/21 10:13pm

I'm suggesting AAC for football only

krindorr

5/15/21 6:46am

You keep saying the money difference would be much better in the AAC.

ManicBlue

5/16/21 3:25am

I'll take your points one at a time

krindorr

5/16/21 7:44am

That's just it, you are going off of "data" you found on the internet.

Cougar TD

5/16/21 11:13am

Data that was published by BYU and is across all sports

krindorr

5/16/21 11:41am

I know, I get it. You are going off that number. But it isn't everything. The

Cougar TD

5/16/21 12:15pm

$5M is/was a huge boost so that's good

krindorr

5/16/21 12:48pm

You state the AAC just signed a new contract but so did BYU.

ManicBlue

5/16/21 1:36pm

Yup, looking forward to BYUs next financial disclosure statement to calculate

krindorr

5/16/21 2:59pm

RE: Yup, looking forward to BYUs next financial disclosure statement to

Cougar TD

5/16/21 3:04pm

BYU and the Church do not publish financial details. Nobody knows exactly what $

Cougarbib

5/16/21 2:04pm

Good points. Exposure and fan access are the keys to Independence

Doogal McCougar

5/17/21 9:17am

Officially leaves the G5? What does that even mean?

Zip

5/17/21 10:19am

In the CFP contract. AAC voluntarily ineligible for the G5's NY6 bid.

Doogal McCougar

5/17/21 10:29am

So what exactly are you accomplishing here?

Zip

5/17/21 10:36am

But right now multiple AAC teams are getting more exposure and better access

krindorr

5/17/21 3:06pm

If it wasn't completely obvious before that you are trolling. This solidifies it

Cougar TD

5/17/21 3:24pm

UCF, Memphis, Cincy all have more viewers than BYU. That's just stating facts

krindorr

5/17/21 3:59pm

OK - list every game last season for those teams and every BYU game showing

Cougarbib

5/17/21 5:43pm

As it turns out, I have that data, that's what I've been basing my comments on

krindorr

5/17/21 7:15pm

That was not what I asked for. Keep it simple. Maybe like

Cougarbib

5/17/21 10:05pm

The AAC isn't terrible, it just isn't better. You really want to argue this, and

Cougar TD

5/17/21 6:46pm

"Access" refers to access to BYU fans and alumni

Doogal McCougar

5/17/21 4:23pm

It was well published by West Virginia that BYU received $4 million just for

Lance71

5/16/21 2:04pm

Good point. I'm sure BYU will make nice $$$ from the game with AZ in Vegas

Doogal McCougar

5/17/21 9:21am

Money. The new contract is not 4.5 a year. Being in a conference doesn't make us better positioned for P5

molodyets

5/14/21 2:53pm

Didn’t Zach Morris hint that it was around 4.5M-5M/yr?

LyleLanley

5/14/21 2:55pm

Not sure if we've signed a new contract how that's changed

krindorr

5/14/21 4:12pm

We have signed a new contract and if you think the contract is only paying the

DeekLyfter

5/14/21 7:37pm

Great, I'd love to update my numbers; do you have any data or facts?

krindorr

5/15/21 6:46am

I don’t see any negatives

LyleLanley

5/14/21 2:54pm

"Inclusion in a G5 conference" No thanks.

Rat

5/14/21 2:57pm

BYU had their best season since 2007 playing a G5 schedule...

WJCougar

5/14/21 3:00pm

Last year was a P5 schedule?

Mountain Rat

5/14/21 3:06pm

what does valley rat have to say?

Agnostic-alumni

5/14/21 3:09pm

If we want to eternally be the BYU of 2006-2009, or 2020, then we should join

shoganai

5/14/21 3:09pm

2006-2009 was awesome - nationally ranked, conference titles, beating Utah, etc

BYU Fan

5/14/21 3:48pm

Well, going to the AAC won't get us any closer to beating Utah again. But, there

shoganai

5/14/21 4:08pm

Sadly, I'm pretty sure we're not playing for a natty as an independent either

krindorr

5/14/21 5:19pm

And therein lies the key difference.

shoganai

5/14/21 6:03pm

If the goal is a natty, I think BYU has just as good of a shot in the AAC

BYU Fan

5/14/21 6:21pm

I strongly disagree.

shoganai

5/14/21 6:55pm

Absolutely no evidence to support that.

CougarThug

5/14/21 8:29pm

No evidence against it either though really

krindorr

5/15/21 6:57am

I believe that recruiting can improve by joining and winning in the AAC

BYU Fan

5/14/21 6:23pm

I doubt that, but I guess we don't really know.

shoganai

5/14/21 6:57pm

Do we have that chance now? NY6 easier in AAC, playoff a pipe dream either way

krindorr

5/14/21 3:50pm

If we called Mike Aresco and said we want to be team 12 it would be a done deal in an hour.

molodyets

5/14/21 3:51pm

Those five years are also the five best QB years in that

wjman11

5/14/21 7:55pm

Only because we had the benefit of the doubt that we wanted better teams but

Rat

5/14/21 3:10pm

Thanks Jarom. We know your stance on this.

flyonawall

5/14/21 3:56pm

Travel...

Phred84044

5/14/21 2:59pm

Travel is a legit issue; my assumption would be that this is football only

krindorr

5/14/21 3:32pm

Yes. Several.

shoganai

5/14/21 2:59pm

Tons. And 2, 3, and 5 aren't true. 1 doesn't matter. 4 isn't worth sacrificing what we have in independence.

5/14/21 3:00pm

But data says 2, 3, 5 ARE true. Seems we just really don't want to accept that

krindorr

5/14/21 3:28pm

No it doesn’t. Your assumptions are incorrect

5/14/21 3:31pm

OK, I at least have data that I'm looking at; can you tell where I'm wrong?

krindorr

5/14/21 3:40pm

it's been had out for years. The arguments are old and boring. Your assumptions are wrong. But that's not new. Faulty

5/14/21 3:43pm

So I keep sharing data and you keep stating it's wrong with no justification...

krindorr

5/14/21 3:45pm

Yep. I'm not really interested in getting into all of it since it's been done a million times. But your assumptions are

5/14/21 3:52pm

I really cannot stand people who argue like you. “Your wrong cuz I can’t handle

GeorgeAlbertsgoatie

5/14/21 4:26pm

Nope. Also wrong. The argument has been hashed out many, many, many times. And I personally have pointed out

5/14/21 5:08pm

But that’s your opinion.

LyleLanley

5/14/21 5:42pm

Link

thebell

5/14/21 7:09pm

Probably because then it's evident there's no justification for those guesses

krindorr

5/14/21 7:27pm

Also because anyone claiming ESPN gives BYU $15M/yr is laughable (SEC gets $20M)

krindorr

5/15/21 7:12am

The SEC was getting ~43 million. ESPN taking over the lone CBS game is giving them a 20mm bump to 60+.

molodyets

5/15/21 9:16am

That's for the conference, not per team. 10yrs/$3B split between 14 teams = $21M

krindorr

5/15/21 9:22am

That is just the contract for the single afternoon game they took from CBS.

molodyets

5/15/21 9:24am

The $45 million was the per team payout and included postseason and bowl bonuses

krindorr

5/15/21 10:22am

You’re misunderstanding. The most recent 21mm deal was just for the the SEC game of the week. That’s it. The entire rest

molodyets

5/15/21 10:52am

Misunderstanding seems to be what he's best at.

DeekLyfter

5/15/21 1:45pm

Holy crap, you're right....

krindorr

5/15/21 4:41pm

Thank you for illustrating my point exactly. And if you don’t care to elaborate

GeorgeAlbertsgoatie

5/14/21 8:23pm

Nope. Even here you’ve demonstrated bad assumptions.

5/14/21 10:07pm

Dude. We get it. Only your opinion matters.

LyleLanley

5/14/21 10:10pm

Such a dumb response.

Ham

5/15/21 7:17am

It doesn't matter what you say you're sharing. You're not actually sharing any

5/14/21 10:14pm

2 assumes that the reason the viewership is higher because of the AAC not vs those programs specifically.

molodyets

5/14/21 3:48pm

Thanks, some validity there; I hope it's not true though (for expansion reasons)

krindorr

5/14/21 3:56pm

It's largely a time zone issue.

molodyets

5/14/21 3:59pm

True, & one of the larger issues against Big12 taking BYU (vs those other teams)

krindorr

5/14/21 4:06pm

Phew, it had been a few weeks since someone posted about going G5.

bluescholar

5/14/21 3:00pm

Yes, more and better reasons than reasons to join

Gustav

5/14/21 3:21pm

Why would a Big-12 bound school want to join the AAC?

zsmooth

5/14/21 3:22pm

Get a Bowl Deal with the Sunbelt, keep our regular season schedules

HawkeyeCoug

5/14/21 3:25pm

Intriguing; not sure this would work, but it's at least thinking outside the box

krindorr

5/14/21 5:38pm

We get into better bowls ourselves than the Sun Belt has. Hard pass.

ManicBlue

5/14/21 10:19pm

You left out playing in a conference based in the east coast

byusage

5/14/21 3:40pm

As a positive or a negative?

krindorr

5/14/21 3:41pm

It's an obvious negative travel wise. Look at history- long distance

byusage

5/14/21 4:10pm

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byusage

5/14/21 4:03pm

Its a G5 - might as well just stop sports.

TeeKaa

5/14/21 4:07pm

Lol at CBer’s claiming points 2, 3 and 5 are not true when there is clear

_Dakoko

5/14/21 5:16pm

Yeah, that is a loser mentality

Zip

5/14/21 5:24pm

Non-football and basketball sports are doing great in the WCC for the most part.

fbguru

5/14/21 5:27pm

Agree, should have specified this is football-only

krindorr

5/14/21 5:31pm

I like the AAC. I like the expanded AAC even more (with BYU, Boise, and SDSU)

Doogal McCougar

5/14/21 6:25pm

At that point you might as well build from scratch

krindorr

5/14/21 7:24pm

“Huge markets” isn’t a great sell for TV money. You need dedicated fans, not warm bodies.

molodyets

5/14/21 8:09pm

Eh, it's a combination; market size = growth potential

krindorr

5/15/21 6:52am

Dead Horse Beating! There are a million reasons not to or it would have

Cougarbib

5/14/21 6:33pm

RE: Dead Horse Beating! There are a million reasons not to or it would have

krindorr

5/14/21 7:06pm

And that argument fits there, too. It has to be a good idea for both parties. It

Cougarbib

5/14/21 8:18pm

The ONLY reason to join AAC would be if becoming part of P6 were part of it.

Hill4Heisman

5/14/21 6:47pm

Good reasons to join also many more reasons not too at this time

kahuna

5/14/21 8:03pm

This is a good measuring stick for the kind of person you are m

Pretorian

5/14/21 8:35pm

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