If what you say is true BYU football is doomed

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Dec 3, 2024
9:20:06am

HRCougar All-American

If what you say is true BYU football is doomed

"It's likely because (and this is true) they know that BYU has never, doesn't currently, and LIKELY WILL NEVER, have the horses to compete in P4 land when the game is long"

I emphasized in caps the concerning part. If you truly think we will never be able to stack sufficient depth and talent in the future to not have to win by schemes and tricks then BYU football is going to perpetually be one of the more frustrating hobbies most of us will ever have.

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PPG under ARod and how it relates to pace of play

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:08am

Are those ppg stats just points scored by the offense?

Garn

Dec 3, 9:10am

Nope. But they never are. As I said, it all comes out in the wash. If you're

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:13am

IDK if you can say it comes out in the wash this year when we've had 4(!) kick

Cougs2012

Dec 3, 12:01pm

It's a really deceptive stat this year because the defense scored a ton

bulletproof

Dec 3, 9:13am

Then you better add points to his PPG last year and in 2022 when the defense

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:15am

I am saying nothing about AROD as a coordinator I have no opinion on that

bulletproof

Dec 3, 9:17am

What other way would you prefer?

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:18am

Wouldn't points per drive be better?

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:23am

This. Or yards per play or offensive efficiency numbers.

bulletproof

Dec 3, 11:07am

Let's use red zone scoring percentage…

ochobeeguy

Dec 3, 1:49pm

BYU was very good in red zone scoring percentage.

kimdaddy35

Dec 3, 1:55pm

I'm not sure what my point was. What are you talking about?

ochobeeguy

Dec 3, 2:05pm

And also they were 48th total (even behind Utes) and 96th in TDs

ochobeeguy

Dec 3, 2:12pm

Out of 68 P4 programs, BYU was 27th in redzone offense- middle 3rd

Dec 3, 2:16pm

When considering we are still playing with a lot of guys we recruited as a G5 it

puntersarepeople

Dec 3, 2:23pm

How do you compare against other teams w/o also taking away their D/ST scores?

ldssdl

Dec 3, 9:23am

Again, if you're going to penalize ARod for that this year, you've got to

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:27am

There are been WAY more non-offensive scores this year than really any time in

Dec 3, 10:58am

But to the OP’s point, you could attribute that success to the defense being

stoils

Dec 3, 1:17pm

WRONG. You must look at ever stat in a vacuum and ignore everything else.

macdizzle

Dec 3, 1:29pm

Wait, isn't that kind of what you are doing?

bulletproof

Dec 3, 3:10pm

This is deceptive bc 3 kick/punt returns alone skew ppg nearly 2 points making

Dec 3, 10:24am

4

bulletproof

Dec 3, 10:32am

...thats right, the botched onsides kick vs Hou by Alfrey, so 28/12= +2.33 ppg

Dec 3, 11:01am

What are the scoring stats in the last four games of the last two years

chirocoug

Dec 3, 2:53pm

it's the not getting the plays in promptly that bugs me

Count Cougar

Dec 3, 9:12am

This is totally fair

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:14am

But it isn't. The data literally doesn't bear out what he's saying.

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:17am

Hahaha and how many timeouts did we use? And how many times did we get to the

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:22am

How many delay of games did we have this year?

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:14am

How many precious timeouts did we burn to avoid a delay of game penalty?

HRCougar

Dec 3, 9:17am

Less than 4 or 5 all season.

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:19am

It is not less than 4 or 5. Sorry, that's just not true.

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:23am

Go back and look at each game. Track how many times we burned timeouts because

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:25am

If you haven't, I am not going to. But it's more than 4 or 5. I have a text

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:27am

There is a reason Sitake is known for not having timeouts at the ends of halves.

MarylandFan

Dec 3, 10:04am

The announcers in multiple games pointed it out

TheLoanArranger

Dec 3, 10:43am

It was like 1 or 2 a game.

Adwight

Dec 3, 1:56pm

Great analysis. Thanks!

Dec 3, 9:13am

I know it wouldn’t change the numbers a whole lot, but I think it’d be important

Adam_Pontipee

Dec 3, 9:17am

We were worse in the last 4 games. We were up in the 38 PPG range before

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:21am

Why would you add points? Either the offense scored them or they didn't.

byubyu

Dec 3, 9:32am

If what you say is true BYU football is doomed

HRCougar

Dec 3, 9:20am

I am right. And yes it will be. IF you think our recruiting is going to suddenly

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:22am

But it already has. Being in a P4 conference WILL and HAS changed this

fulano

Dec 3, 10:07am

Except it wasn't this year overall. It was amazing. Also 2021 with 7 P5 games

NYC and Japan

Dec 3, 10:24am

Anyone that thinks ARod is solely responsible for decisions on pace of play is ignorant

kccougar

Dec 3, 9:21am

When the ball is snapped, yes. But I don't think those decisions cover when the

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:26am

How many times this year did this happen?

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:28am

Several. Not pervasive, but enough it is a talking point among those who discuss

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:30am

Didn't Kalani say in his ASU post game interview that we needed to increase

the rural juror

Dec 3, 9:27am

He could just as easily be blaming himself as ARod with that comment

puntersarepeople

Dec 3, 11:49am

For sure.

the rural juror

Dec 3, 12:41pm

BYU is ranked 17th. BYU finished the regular season 10-2.

HuskerFan2

Dec 3, 9:31am

BYU fans are like most fans--absurd with absurd expectations.

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:32am

I guess we are "fanatics"

HuskerFan2

Dec 3, 9:33am

The offense struggled mightily the last few games, it’s not like they were on

kotacoug

Dec 3, 10:36am

For measures that included SOS, our offensive ratings stayed fairly constant the

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 10:41am

RE: BYU is ranked 17th. BYU finished the regular season 10-2.

Cougarclaw

Dec 3, 9:32am

As a Nebraska fan you would understand. My problem is A Rod's tendency to make

Adwight

Dec 3, 9:38am

All plays are boneheaded when they don't work.

macdizzle

Dec 3, 9:39am

Yeah I think of those 10% only 10-20% (so 1-2%) total don't make sense to me.

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:41am

Disagree.

Adwight

Dec 3, 9:45am

Some of the plays that appear to be bone headed are actually throwing in variety

NYC and Japan

Dec 3, 10:36am

100% this. ARod is good, not great.

Garn

Dec 3, 11:09am

ARod is average at best... not even good.

Coug

Dec 3, 11:34am

This was the same pro-Tuiaki argument

vegas guey

Dec 3, 9:44am

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chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:46am

Program wise, which way is the offense trending? Many of us are happy

gopman

Dec 3, 9:45am

Up. Performance all around this year was up in the second year in the Big 12

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:47am

Definitely better then last year but it was clear that the defense & special

gopman

Dec 3, 9:49am

It's been a long time since we had an explosive and high-scoring offense, and

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 9:51am

Pace of play is a team choice. Red zone performance was outstanding through 1st

NYC and Japan

Dec 3, 10:39am

Re: the fade against KU. It was an option in the play package.

Captain Stubing

Dec 3, 9:51am

Every receiver in a play like that is going to be an option.

JuicyJam

Dec 3, 10:42am

Note that many of the same fans who screamed at Anae for GFGH are screaming at

Abe Froman

Dec 3, 9:53am

I generally didn't have a problem with the pace.

JuicyJam

Dec 3, 10:43am

Slow pace of play limits our own opportunities.

Captain Stubing

Dec 3, 10:04am

BYU is top 10 in 4th down conversion rate. Bad example by you

NYC and Japan

Dec 3, 10:43am

4th downs are a fraction of 3rd downs & BYU ranked 61st of 68 P4 on 3rd down

Dec 3, 11:33am

BYU averaged 2.8 points per drive in 2024, 1.8 in 2023, 2.8 in 2022, 3.0 in 2021, 3.8 in 2020, 2.2 in 2019 & 2019.

Spiff

Dec 3, 11:19am

Data is skewed by BYU defense leading nation creating 20 Int/short fields for

Dec 3, 11:31am

And skewed the opposite way in 23 and 22 when the D was bad. ARod should get

macdizzle

Dec 3, 11:40am

And 2021

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 11:42am

Average starting field position 2024: BYU 32. 2023: BYU 30. 2022: BYU 30. 2021: BYU 29. 2020: BYU 30

Spiff

Dec 3, 2:05pm

You don’t win 10+ games with bad coaching

Pretorian

Dec 3, 11:41am

but not every coach is equal, meaning as a unit it's sound, but there are

Dec 3, 11:54am

Nobody is saying anyone is perfect… 10 or 11 Ws is fantastic though

Pretorian

Dec 3, 5:54pm

Running a low amount of plays may correlate with less injuries this year

Jwine21

Dec 3, 11:49am

That could be part of it, but I also feel depth and rotating many more players

Dec 3, 11:52am

Is that unique compared to past years?

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 12:02pm

yes, not near the rotation number, so starters getting way more reps and

Dec 3, 12:09pm

I'm not sure how that's true when the complaint against Lamb/Tuiaki was too many

chilawcoug

Dec 3, 3:55pm

This is a great analysis. My main concern with ARod is that he seems unwilling

Ferb

Dec 3, 12:01pm

He says that all the time. On Coordinator's Corner after the OSU game he kicked

macdizzle

Dec 3, 12:12pm

That's good to hear. I must have missed that.

Ferb

Dec 3, 1:04pm

Arod is that you?

Ten_Hour_Drives

Dec 3, 12:39pm

I think losing Kiem in the Utah game had as big of a repercussion as anything.

ImuaKahuku

Dec 3, 12:43pm

RE: Pace of play. I think this is something that Kalani, ARod, and Jay have all agreed to.

Dec 3, 2:13pm

How can you say the fade throw was a bad call? Explain that one to me? I'm not talking outcome or execution.

KYU

Dec 3, 9:38pm

It’s a bad call because Jake has NEVER executed it successfully

stoils

Dec 3, 10:30pm

That’s ridiculous

KYU

12:04am

He nailed it to Hill in the 2 point conversion vs…. SMU was it…

Pretorian

3:37am

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