In the sense that the coffee drinkers are better off?

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May 15, 2024
4:19:47pm

Plato All-American

In the sense that the coffee drinkers are better off?

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Plato

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On Sunday we were talking about the word of wisdom. I said people who are fat,

EDthoracotomy

May 15, 4:12pm

That's because what you said is false.

Lance71

May 15, 4:13pm

In the sense that the coffee drinkers are better off?

Plato

May 15, 4:19pm

RE: That's because what you said is false.

goblin

May 15, 4:19pm

I asked a counselor in my stake presidency...

May 16, 8:31am

All of it is between you and the Lord. This is purely a perspective.

EDthoracotomy

May 16, 12:42pm

But healthy and unhealthy are also black and white.

EDthoracotomy

May 16, 12:42pm

Although that’s an answer it’s not complete

Recipefordisaster

May 16, 2:27pm

Coffee, at least, is healthier than being fat and guzzling soda.

DubuMfalme

May 15, 4:21pm

But coffee is against the Word of Wisdom and being fat is not

2FarGone

May 15, 4:30pm

being fat is against the WofW but it won't keep you out of the temple.

qwerew

May 15, 4:37pm

Could you site your source for this claim?

Lolo

May 15, 4:38pm

it's in the D&C. Talks about taking care of our bodies and health. Fat

qwerew

May 15, 4:44pm

That's really reaching

2FarGone

May 15, 4:48pm

well obey the WofW in your 20's and 30's and don't get fat. 60+ can lose wt.

qwerew

May 15, 4:52pm

😂 🤡

Lolo

May 15, 5:00pm

Suppose you got addicted to nicotine or alcohol or opioids in your 20s.

jvquarterback

May 15, 8:25pm

Could to point out a verse or two that would indicate that section 89 is talking

Lolo

May 15, 4:57pm

I would think the 5% of Americans that fall into the hypothyroid camp should definitely be excused.

Mobettah

May 15, 5:14pm

Really, they clearly aren’t following the WoW or they wouldn’t have it.

Lolo

May 15, 5:24pm

my wife has hypothyroid. She maybe has a couple extra lbs on her.

qwerew

May 15, 5:28pm

Better not go to the temple then. I mean who is to say what fat is?

Lolo

May 15, 5:36pm

who claimed fat people shouldn't go to the temple?

qwerew

May 15, 5:42pm

“Do you understand and obey the WoW?”

Lolo

May 15, 6:06pm

Sorry, but it’s still Calories in Calories Out

canuckchuck

May 15, 7:34pm

Your answer to the question could be no, but then the interviewer would ask, ok

palangi

May 15, 10:25pm

The D and C can not be used a a source for following the WoW. Its way to

kotacoug

May 15, 8:31pm

Being fat and not taking care of yourself are not the same thing.

NYC and Japan

May 15, 9:38pm

She gained 2 lbs a week for 3 years? While teaching aerobics? She’d be over 400

DiamondMo

May 15, 11:29pm

Was supposed to be 2 pounds a month

NYC and Japan

May 16, 3:59pm

No, it is not.

2FarGone

May 15, 4:43pm

Only if you don’t answer the temple recommend question according to the belief

Lolo

May 15, 4:58pm

This is truth

palangi

May 15, 8:55pm

RE: But coffee is against the Word of Wisdom and being fat is not

tippmancoug

May 15, 5:31pm

Where in D and C does it say not to drink coffee?

Calicoug75

May 15, 8:26pm

Here you go:

May 16, 8:37am

Go back and look at pictures of GAs in the late 1800s.

May 15, 6:57pm

Fatness sometimes is a sin. It should not keep you out of the temple.

ParentingNotForSissy

May 15, 7:15pm

RE: Coffee, at least, is healthier than being fat and guzzling soda.

scmndm

May 15, 7:33pm

how most people order Starbucks etc is way less healthy than diet soda

jpv

May 15, 10:22pm

Nope. Word of wisdom calls for things to abstain from and things to do. Not

EDthoracotomy

May 15, 7:16pm

Where in the D&C does it say I can’t have an occasional beer with a friend?

Calicoug75

May 15, 8:31pm

Where does it say don't follow the teachings of the prophet?

OldFogey

May 15, 9:20pm

Did everyone get the COVID vaccine? Have you ever watched an R rated movie?

Calicoug75

May 15, 10:22pm

RE: Did everyone get the COVID vaccine? Have you ever watched an R rated movie?

OldFogey

May 16, 6:02am

Prophets said to get vaccine and to not watch R rated movies. Same as no beer.

Calicoug75

May 16, 8:07am

I'm only interested in the opinions of compotent medical providers.

SJS

May 15, 4:13pm

I hope being able to correctly spell the word competent doesn't disqualify them.

DomCasual

May 15, 5:51pm

A competent medical professional can tell you if you are obeying a commandment?

Lance71

May 15, 7:11pm

RE: On Sunday we were talking about the word of wisdom. I said people who are

BYUheaven

May 15, 4:17pm

The WoW does include being proactively healthy, but it is different. The “donts” of the WoW are for the most part clear

cheezedawg

May 15, 4:19pm

RE: The WoW does include being proactively healthy, but it is different. The

tippmancoug

May 15, 5:42pm

You're not likely to get an answer on this one.

May 15, 6:31pm

This is such a simple answer. Lot's of people don't like the answer.

Lance71

May 15, 7:14pm

This is the only answer that is not debatable.

Calicoug75

May 15, 8:37pm

I don’t know why coffee is included in the WoW. I abstain from it as an act of faith.

cheezedawg

May 15, 11:06pm

Yeah but that's semantics. It says no liquor but beer isn't considered a strong

EDthoracotomy

May 15, 11:51pm

Because you are wrong.

CopperLix

May 15, 4:20pm

Not even close.

EDthoracotomy

May 15, 7:16pm

I know what you’re saying. The key to the WoW is treating our bodies

sparky

May 15, 4:23pm

The WoW is about obedience not health.

Lolo

May 15, 4:25pm

It’s about both.

cheezedawg

May 15, 4:27pm

If it was about health it is wrong and severely limited in its scope.

Lolo

May 15, 4:36pm

Take it to the religion category for attacks against prophetic counsel

Plato

May 15, 4:43pm

What are you talking about? I am not against the WoW or prophetic

Lolo

May 15, 5:07pm

You claim that the health code given in DnC 89 is "wrong."

Plato

May 15, 5:08pm

No I claim that DC 89 isn’t a health code.

Lolo

May 15, 5:09pm

Oh, in that case

Plato

May 15, 5:19pm

It is easy to claim it to be a health code. The first 4 verse explain why it was

Lolo

May 15, 5:28pm

This is the answer of last resort.

May 15, 6:33pm

Interesting to see that people don’t like this answer, but it is more true than

Lolo

May 15, 6:57pm

It's about things we should and things we should not do AS WELL as obedience.

EDthoracotomy

May 15, 7:17pm

Remember when the Lord said "more or less than this cometh of evil"

2FarGone

May 15, 4:37pm

You mean you’re being obedient to a law as it’s currently given. What a concept.

Lolo

May 15, 4:43pm

Moderation in all things isn’t that a part of WofW

U2wearblue

May 15, 6:36pm

Ding ding! You just nailed the ridiculousness of it!

May 15, 6:40pm

Very confusing debate as a non member listening

U2wearblue

May 15, 6:42pm

RE: On Sunday we were talking about the word of wisdom. I said people who are fat,

Bob Vance

May 15, 4:23pm

From a health perspective you are right. From a religious perspective you’re wrong. Which to me is why the WofW may

RalphWiggam

May 15, 4:24pm

The Strength of Youth booklet has been modified from Dos/Don'ts to precepts –

Benfica1

May 15, 4:34pm

Principles & doctrine don't always necessarily coincide with Church policy

futbalmaven

May 15, 4:46pm

Oh, but they have over the years.

coolblue

May 15, 8:19pm

Disagree

futbalmaven

May 16, 5:32am

This could be true but maybe the spiritual law is all about ones health

futbalmaven

May 15, 4:44pm

It already is being redefined.

Calicoug75

May 15, 8:42pm

Good thing trolling isn't against the WoW.

May 15, 4:27pm

Well - I exercise and generally eat ok - but I do like 2-3 DC's during the day. So..... But I do think your point

JamieTartt

May 15, 4:30pm

they clearly don't understand the WofW.

qwerew

May 15, 4:35pm

One thing sillier then the WoW itself, is arguing about it in church.

RIGAMORTIS

May 15, 4:41pm

well the arguing about in church part is correct.

qwerew

May 15, 4:47pm

that's because it's easy to skip a beer but not easy to skip the potato chips.

qwerew

May 15, 4:48pm

100% agree. Love that you said that in a class.

4thand19

May 15, 4:54pm

No, you didn't

Buckeye

May 15, 4:55pm

Sorry - Just slammed 2 rockstars to get myself through this temple session. I'll

May 15, 4:58pm

When the famine comes, you'll be the first to die while I live off my reserves

OldFogey

May 15, 4:58pm

At a minimum you have to separate ongoing behavior from a physical condition

Tricky

May 15, 5:02pm

Well, you showed them.

DomCasual

May 15, 5:12pm

Not trying to show anyone just give a different perspective

EDthoracotomy

May 15, 7:18pm

RE: On Sunday we were talking about the word of wisdom. I said people who are

tippmancoug

May 15, 5:40pm

Loved your comment! I think one of the things I would love to change

plethora

May 15, 6:29pm

I've heard plenty of people voice opinions... as opinions... in church.

Benfica1

May 15, 6:36pm

Really wish it were this way

plethora

May 16, 12:09am

It is in my experience.

Benfica1

May 16, 9:11am

Thx. Good to hear

plethora

May 16, 10:32am

Really like this take. Makes church better this way. I have active friends who

EDthoracotomy

May 15, 7:18pm

It’s because obesity is a pandemic. and odds are you were talking to a bunch of

Recipefordisaster

May 15, 6:43pm

A post above lists several prophets and apostles that were overweight to quite

NYC and Japan

May 15, 9:58pm

only one man ever walked the earth without sin.

qwerew

May 15, 10:47pm

Metabolic Health is a choice. We control what we eat. Exercise is a choice.

Recipefordisaster

May 16, 6:10am

RE: On Sunday we were talking about the word of wisdom. I said people who are

AltTabbins

May 15, 7:22pm

If you actually put it that way, then maybe it was your caustic tone.

SwampyCoug

May 15, 7:29pm

Probably way worse tbh

canuckchuck

May 15, 7:31pm

It is worst but not against the WoW specifically.

Lolo

May 15, 7:49pm

lol none of it makes any sense, but I’m over here with my 🍿

NonmormonYfan89

May 15, 7:51pm

Probably because you said it in the spirit of shaming.

VenomFarmer

May 15, 11:09pm

That and the high horse from which it was bragged to CB on

OldFogey

May 16, 7:43am

Not bragging. Just curious about people's thoughts. Based on the post it seems

EDthoracotomy

May 16, 12:44pm

Not at all. Just as a different perspective. Shaming would be with the intention

EDthoracotomy

May 16, 12:43pm

You made a fair point; delivery is important. Charged words can lose the point.

SwampyCoug

May 16, 2:41pm

Obviously there needs to be and should always be tact and words should come from

EDthoracotomy

May 16, 7:31pm

I wish it was obvious to everyone. Someone said years ago that if you haven't

SwampyCoug

May 16, 7:41pm

From reading your OP

VenomFarmer

May 16, 2:43pm

Absolutely. This doesn't include people with legitimate metabolic/medical hx.

EDthoracotomy

May 16, 7:34pm

Hahahahaha. Best post in a long time! I agree

crablegs

May 16, 1:15am

Can be far more damaging than coffee

VenomFarmer

May 16, 9:33pm

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