I think you make my point for me.

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Jan 29, 2023
3:38:57pm

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I think you make my point for me.

20 years ago Utah was on the same level as SDSU, New Mexico, CSU

10 years ago — WSU, Cal, Arizona

5 years ago — Stanford, ASU, CU

Today — Oregon, USC, UW

Utah has surpassed so many former peers, and almost all of their fans would be thrilled for their school to have Utah's success.

BYU fans don't really want to see that. They jump on every Utah loss as evidence that Utah is headed towards imminent demise.

It's strange. But it has created this phenomenon where BYU Fans cling so much to each Utah loss, they forget other programs lose to. So they are constantly holding Utah up to the same level as undefeated Georgia. Any loss is an embarrassment and exposes Utah.

In reality, very few schools are winning at the same level. The ones who are, are the blue blood programs.

I just don't think BYU fans get that there are material differences between storied SEC programs, tOSU, ND, Penn State vs. Utah. Utah has no business being on the same anything as them.

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Seems like Wilner's latest mailbag has been the most pesemistic so far

1/28/23 2:10pm

I'm so glad to finally be in the B12. Finally on the inside looking out.

Tesla Coug

1/28/23 2:20pm

I get that, but I'm still greedy

1/28/23 4:23pm

RE: Seems like Wilner's latest mailbag has been the most pesemistic so far

Cougarclaw

1/28/23 2:27pm

Big12 should invite Oregon and Washington without making them sign a GOR

ldssdl

1/28/23 2:57pm

I think this sends the wrong message

RWaters

1/28/23 3:38pm

Why? Brings more money for the Big12 and UW/UO for however long they stay.

ldssdl

1/28/23 3:44pm

Because it creates a distinction between members; PAC will die on its own and

RWaters

1/28/23 3:53pm

Would the other Big12 members would be loyal to the conference over a B10

ldssdl

1/28/23 3:57pm

They wouldn't bring in any more money. Contract would increase only enough to cover them at current rate.

ManicBlue

1/28/23 4:24pm

It's been reported there's escalator clauses in the new TV deal...

tacallaway

1/28/23 5:10pm

Sure the escalator clause will raise the overall contract to cover any additional P5 teams added at current rate, but

ManicBlue

1/28/23 5:25pm

B12 could absolutely get UO and UW if the B10 doesn't come calling.

tacallaway

1/28/23 7:14pm

I'll believe that when I see it.

ManicBlue

1/28/23 11:44pm

CU....

moabmax

1/30/23 9:30am

CU has probably slightly increased in value since Deion, but...

tacallaway

1/30/23 9:41am

Is this wrong message different from the ones from the SEC and B1G?

1/28/23 3:48pm

I don’t care if the Big12 leads to the demise of the PAC - just don’t want

RWaters

1/28/23 3:57pm

Where did I say anything about preferential treatment?

ldssdl

1/28/23 3:59pm

Agreed. Take the money they bring the conference for however long

BYUHgrad

1/28/23 3:59pm

What? And create immediate and continual uncertainty? Nope.

Refugee

1/28/23 4:51pm

Ad and marketing dollars are plentiful

carmelcougar

1/28/23 3:32pm

It's more than a few million less per year per school.

slatecoug

1/28/23 4:07pm

Wilner still overestimating the value of the Pac. No one else is saying the difference between the Pac and the Big 12 is

Brisket

1/28/23 8:27pm

There’s zero chance they don’t get more than the current $25 million per team.

jimmything

1/30/23 11:36am

Zero chance? After losing the SoCal market and not able to get Oregon/Washington to sign a GOR? hmm ... ute math?

ManicBlue

1/30/23 11:55am

There's been multiple reports that could have the PAC in the ~$25m range.

tacallaway

1/30/23 12:25pm

All I want is for UU to get shafted!

Snipe

1/28/23 4:27pm

Ironically, Utah is probably the safest of any P10 team right now

TFL

1/28/23 4:34pm

RE: Ironically, Utah is probably the safest of any P10 team right now

panacablue

1/28/23 4:47pm

I'd take Arizona first for market and Bball program. Then it'd be a tossup with

ManicBlue

1/28/23 5:07pm

If they only take 2 of the 4 corners, they'll add Phoenix and Denver markets.

tacallaway

1/28/23 5:12pm

Because UW and O would never go to the Big 12.

TFL

1/28/23 7:47pm

So you're saying UO and UW are going to the B10 100%?

tacallaway

1/28/23 8:04pm

Nah…

TFL

1/28/23 9:52pm

You seriously think UO and UW, if B10 is impossible, will choose to just die?

tacallaway

1/28/23 10:20pm

Not at all. None of these programs are going away. That's silly to jump to that conclusion. By safe I mean

TFL

1/29/23 11:39am

College football is not a meritocracy, winning alone doesn't make you P5.

tacallaway

1/29/23 11:53am

CFB is a meritocracy. It's exactly why all 3 BCS busters in the last era jumped to better conferences.

TFL

1/29/23 12:14pm

Colorado and West Virginia were BCS busters?

Acorn

1/29/23 12:40pm

Also, what about Boise? More success as a G5 than UU, no invite.

tacallaway

1/29/23 2:01pm

Boise got upgraded to the MWC. Utah, TCU and Boise all jumped up a level. How do you not see that?

TFL

1/29/23 3:29pm

So despite Boise having more success than UU as a G5...

tacallaway

1/29/23 4:34pm

TFL seems to forget that the MWC of 2023 looks much more like the Big West or

TrueBlue67

1/30/23 4:53am

That's a dumb point. BSU only succeeded in the lowly WAC. That's not better performance.

TFL

1/30/23 2:22pm

Boise absolutely performed better than UU. More NY6 games, way better win %.

tacallaway

1/30/23 2:27pm

...but not in the MWC. Where it matters. Few guys skip AAA and go straight to the MLB from AA. Same concept.

TFL

1/30/23 2:32pm

Boise did most of their dominating in the WAC. MWC and WAC were both "AA".

tacallaway

1/30/23 2:36pm

Nah...Boise jumped to the MW quickly because it's significantly superior. Same with Reno, FSU, Utah State.

TFL

1/30/23 4:32pm

Huh? Clearly NY6 bowls haven't gotten Boise to the next level

tacallaway

1/30/23 5:49pm

I think you meant to write ... utah fans are incredibly naive when it comes to utah.

ManicBlue

1/29/23 2:12pm

I think you make my point for me.

TFL

1/29/23 3:38pm

Hahahaha keep dreaming

ManicBlue

1/29/23 4:31pm

Maybe. But BYU fans have been prophesying the fall of Utah FB for 20 years now.

TFL

1/30/23 2:05pm

Hahaha…nope!

BYUHgrad

1/28/23 5:29pm

On the field results are less relevant than location

1/28/23 5:34pm

utah absolutely should hold out for a B1G invite or maybe the SEC will come calling.

ManicBlue

1/28/23 11:47pm

TV ratings like the lowest watched Rose Bowl ever? U have delusions of grandeur.

RossoNeri

1/29/23 5:57am

Utah falls out of the top 25 pretty quickly once they start playing a non-Pac12 P5 schedule.

zsmooth

1/30/23 6:39am

Cougarboard when

CrimsonCardinal

1/28/23 6:56pm

BYU already won the PAC12 before Utah did.

RGGeemer

1/28/23 7:36pm

RE: BYU already won the PAC12 before Utah did.

gmoney7

1/30/23 12:34am

You posting about UU being in the B12 as if it’s already happened says a lot

Refugee

1/30/23 7:21am

I predict Arizona goes to the Big 12 with Gonzaga and the PAC adds SDSU and stays at 10.

runningryan

1/28/23 5:02pm

So dumb. Sorry that's dumb. Just one super poor guy's opinion

TNT

1/28/23 6:08pm

I think Zona jumps but dummy Crow holds ASU back

runningryan

1/28/23 8:15pm

PAC needs to get to 12 members and have a championship game for relevancy and $$

rbr

1/30/23 9:52am

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