57% of big 12 teams made the sweet 16 (4/7)only 50% of Sec teams 7/14 made it

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Mar 23, 2025
11:29:57pm

johnnybyu Truly Addicted User

57% of big 12 teams made the sweet 16 (4/7)only 50% of Sec teams 7/14 made it

There are so many ways to slice numbers, but I think the statistic is more important than whatever formula you were doing without normalizing the numbers

There are all sorts of ways to looks at data and come up with statistics to try to prove your point. You need to control for travel and time zones and all sorts of variables

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In terms on reaching the Sweet 16, no conference outperformed expectations more

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:34pm

Don't you need to divide those totals by the number of teams?

tkh9

Mar 23, 10:37pm

No. Having more times gives a conference (like the SEC) more opportunity to

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:40pm

So the “expectation” was they’d have more teams in?

HRCougar

Mar 23, 10:42pm

No. Put it this way, if a single conference had 64 teams make the tournament,

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:44pm

Isn’t that like saying the SEC was .500 in conference play?

HRCougar

Mar 23, 10:47pm

It’s saying the metric isn’t biased in favor of conferences with a lot of teams

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:49pm

I think you should look up "self-fulfilling prophecy".

tkh9

Mar 23, 10:55pm

I think you should ask your math teacher for a refund.

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:57pm

But that’s not correct, even if you keep saying it.

HRCougar

Mar 23, 11:00pm

It’s not true that Conference B “was supposed to get four in and got four”

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:08pm

Just now realizing you listed teams who didn’t make it and gave them negative

HRCougar

Mar 23, 11:18pm

Not sure what you mean. This is only based on teams that made the tournament.

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:21pm

But, it's still biased in favor of conferences that get more teams in.

Mar 23, 11:14pm

But it wouldn’t automatically place that conference in third.

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:19pm

That still ignores that the only reason you could say that the SEC and Big 10

Mar 23, 11:36pm

Are you arguing that the metric favors the B1G because it had 8 teams in the

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:43pm

Normalization yo

Celeritas

Mar 23, 10:42pm

Yep dude is using lies, dang lies, and statistics.

johnnybyu

Mar 23, 11:24pm

RE: Yep dude is using lies dang lies and statistics.

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:30pm

57% of big 12 teams made the sweet 16 (4/7)only 50% of Sec teams 7/14 made it

johnnybyu

Mar 23, 11:31pm

Why do you think it’s ok to ignore seeding? By the way, there’s a reason the OP

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:35pm

I am not ignoring it. You’re just stating it’s the only variable which it’s not.

johnnybyu

Mar 23, 11:36pm

See below. LOL.

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:45pm

So without Arkansas making the sweet 16, the Big12 would be ahead of the sec.

cmoney

Mar 23, 10:41pm

Or if ISU hadn’t sucked today, the Big 12 would be ahead of the SEC.

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:50pm

This is basically, which conference had the lowest seeds make the sweet 16 😅

BYUFootballisBack

Mar 23, 10:42pm

Or high-seeded teams that had an early exit (Iowa St.).

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:44pm

So if I’m reading this correctly, the SEC

Toubibe

Mar 23, 10:45pm

RE: So if I’m reading this correctly, the SEC

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:45pm

Then there's Duke representing the ACC.

Mar 23, 10:55pm

Yeah, here’s the ACC:

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:02pm

57% of big 12 teams made the sweet 16 (4/7)only 50% of Sec teams 7/14 made it

johnnybyu

Mar 23, 11:29pm

That’s a metric, but it’s pretty lazy because it ignores seeding.

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:33pm

And you are ignoring all sorts of other variables. How far did they travel, what

johnnybyu

Mar 23, 11:35pm

A guy who wants to ignore seeding altogether is saying a separate approach is

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:44pm

I gave you a counter statistic that proves the big 12 is better. There’s lots of

johnnybyu

Mar 23, 11:46pm

The only one using words like “prove” to describe their metric is you.

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:53pm

I am showing you why there are lies, darn lies, and statistics. Lots of ways to

johnnybyu

Mar 24, 12:21am

It’s obvious that there are many ways to look at the data. But I’m pretty sure

garyfan

Mar 24, 12:31am

Why do the 10th and 11th seeded teams have better odds of making the Sweet 16...

Les IsMore

Mar 24, 12:47am

Because in order to reach the Sweet 16, the 8/9 seeds have to beat the 1-seed,

garyfan

Mar 24, 1:26am

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