No. Put it this way, if a single conference had 64 teams make the tournament,

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Mar 23, 2025
10:44:52pm

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it’s cumulative total would be 0.00, by definition.

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In terms on reaching the Sweet 16, no conference outperformed expectations more

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:34pm

Don't you need to divide those totals by the number of teams?

tkh9

Mar 23, 10:37pm

No. Having more times gives a conference (like the SEC) more opportunity to

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:40pm

So the “expectation” was they’d have more teams in?

HRCougar

Mar 23, 10:42pm

No. Put it this way, if a single conference had 64 teams make the tournament,

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:44pm

Isn’t that like saying the SEC was .500 in conference play?

HRCougar

Mar 23, 10:47pm

It’s saying the metric isn’t biased in favor of conferences with a lot of teams

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:49pm

I think you should look up "self-fulfilling prophecy".

tkh9

Mar 23, 10:55pm

I think you should ask your math teacher for a refund.

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:57pm

But that’s not correct, even if you keep saying it.

HRCougar

Mar 23, 11:00pm

It’s not true that Conference B “was supposed to get four in and got four”

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:08pm

Just now realizing you listed teams who didn’t make it and gave them negative

HRCougar

Mar 23, 11:18pm

Not sure what you mean. This is only based on teams that made the tournament.

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:21pm

But, it's still biased in favor of conferences that get more teams in.

Cosmo's Uncle

Mar 23, 11:14pm

But it wouldn’t automatically place that conference in third.

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:19pm

That still ignores that the only reason you could say that the SEC and Big 10

Cosmo's Uncle

Mar 23, 11:36pm

Are you arguing that the metric favors the B1G because it had 8 teams in the

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:43pm

Normalization yo

Celeritas

Mar 23, 10:42pm

Yep dude is using lies, dang lies, and statistics.

johnnybyu

Mar 23, 11:24pm

RE: Yep dude is using lies dang lies and statistics.

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:30pm

57% of big 12 teams made the sweet 16 (4/7)only 50% of Sec teams 7/14 made it

johnnybyu

Mar 23, 11:31pm

Why do you think it’s ok to ignore seeding? By the way, there’s a reason the OP

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:35pm

I am not ignoring it. You’re just stating it’s the only variable which it’s not.

johnnybyu

Mar 23, 11:36pm

See below. LOL.

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:45pm

So without Arkansas making the sweet 16, the Big12 would be ahead of the sec.

cmoney

Mar 23, 10:41pm

Or if ISU hadn’t sucked today, the Big 12 would be ahead of the SEC.

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:50pm

This is basically, which conference had the lowest seeds make the sweet 16 😅

BYUFootballisBack

Mar 23, 10:42pm

Or high-seeded teams that had an early exit (Iowa St.).

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:44pm

So if I’m reading this correctly, the SEC

Toubibe

Mar 23, 10:45pm

RE: So if I’m reading this correctly, the SEC

garyfan

Mar 23, 10:45pm

Then there's Duke representing the ACC.

BigHouse Coug

Mar 23, 10:55pm

Yeah, here’s the ACC:

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:02pm

57% of big 12 teams made the sweet 16 (4/7)only 50% of Sec teams 7/14 made it

johnnybyu

Mar 23, 11:29pm

That’s a metric, but it’s pretty lazy because it ignores seeding.

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:33pm

And you are ignoring all sorts of other variables. How far did they travel, what

johnnybyu

Mar 23, 11:35pm

A guy who wants to ignore seeding altogether is saying a separate approach is

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:44pm

I gave you a counter statistic that proves the big 12 is better. There’s lots of

johnnybyu

Mar 23, 11:46pm

The only one using words like “prove” to describe their metric is you.

garyfan

Mar 23, 11:53pm

I am showing you why there are lies, darn lies, and statistics. Lots of ways to

johnnybyu

Mar 24, 12:21am

It’s obvious that there are many ways to look at the data. But I’m pretty sure

garyfan

Mar 24, 12:31am

Why do the 10th and 11th seeded teams have better odds of making the Sweet 16...

Les IsMore

Mar 24, 12:47am

Because in order to reach the Sweet 16, the 8/9 seeds have to beat the 1-seed,

garyfan

Mar 24, 1:26am

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