Are those the only two options? You make it sound like it

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Jan 9, 2025
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CameronG

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Joined: Jul 21, 2022
Last login: Jan 9, 2025
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Ouch. Definitely needs improvement.

Brisket Starter

Jan 9, 4:27pm

Half of CB is in denial about this data.

Haysom Till

Jan 9, 4:29pm

No they aren't. He had a bad bowl game. Who is saying he didn't?

Jericho

Jan 9, 4:32pm

Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night, I’m fine with.

Haysom Till

Jan 9, 4:49pm

I have to tell you

Jericho

Jan 9, 4:53pm

He has mostly bad games

Vert der Frick

Jan 9, 6:34pm

He improved until the UCF game and then had his 5 worst games (in a row) to end

Das_Countach

Jan 9, 7:45pm

Yeah, who needs data…or eyes? We can just base everything off win loss record.

Brisket

Jan 9, 4:32pm

you are right, we should accept this data and bench the quarterback that let us to 11 wins in a P4 conference

JOPE

Jan 9, 4:33pm

We should bench him sooooo hard for sure. That is exactly what I’m clamoring for

Haysom Till

Jan 9, 4:51pm

What is your objective in complaining so much about Retzlaff?

MarylandFan

2:10am

After a good game @ 4-8 UCF, his passing in the 2nd half of the season was poor.

rivercitycoug

Jan 9, 4:59pm

Such a dumb post. Thats not what he is saying. Jake is mid. ST and an amazing

Idacoug

Jan 9, 6:39pm

why do you say this? We were one freak play against Kansas from being in the playoff and one db leaking our calls away.

HarlemCoug

Jan 9, 6:53pm

An ex-db but a real DB.

Q-grr

Jan 9, 8:32pm

…nope— the real story is ST and defense did enough to mask his poor play

Das_Countach

Jan 9, 10:30pm

And ps - you still haven't sent proof that you ever wore a Utah tie to church after losing our bet.

HarlemCoug

Jan 9, 7:04pm

We won 11 games in spite of Retzlaff

Wise One

Jan 9, 7:57pm

Truth right here

CT98

Jan 9, 9:57pm

Wait, all of a sudden you care about his PFF grade for one game? Look at season

viper

Jan 9, 6:59pm

He’s the weakest link on the team. If we have Dart we make the playoff 100%

StraightOuttaOrem

Jan 9, 10:20pm

Yes, the bowl game was not Retzlaff's best game

Indy Coug

Jan 9, 4:31pm

Not great the last 3 or 4 games

machete

Jan 9, 4:32pm

he was banged up and didn’t play great

JOPE

Jan 9, 4:35pm

The chart was exclusively limited to bowl games

Indy Coug

Jan 9, 4:36pm

You’re the stats guy, what does the chart look like for the season?

Brisket

Jan 9, 4:43pm

Here's a comparison of his pre-bowl game PFF grade for 2024 vs other Big12 QBs

Indy Coug

Jan 9, 4:44pm

Seems like it doesn’t take much into turnovers, which is kind of Jake’s Achilles heal.

Brisket

Jan 9, 4:53pm

PFF grades definitely take into account bad decisions throwing the ball

Indy Coug

Jan 9, 4:55pm

Jake was 3rd best in the B12. Isaac Wilson was last by a mile.

HarlemCoug

Jan 9, 5:23pm

Kinda crazy that BYU won so easily (and scored so much) with that kind of QB performance.

TCuz

Jan 9, 4:33pm

Much of the season he was why we were winning while also why we weren’t even better

JOPE

Jan 9, 4:37pm

Some teams win because of their QB, and some win despite their QB. Think late 90s and early 2000s Ravens and Bucs.

Brisket

Jan 9, 4:37pm

Thought the exact same thing. Thank you defense!

NewYorkCougar

Jan 9, 6:31pm

We’re watching the cougs take on PSU rn if we have an above avg QB this season

775coug

Jan 9, 4:34pm

3rd best QB is way above average. Head coaches in the Big12, not CB couch potato

NYC and Japan

Jan 9, 10:24pm

We’re the best team in the big12, the big12 shouldn’t be our standard

775coug

1:49am

11-6 as a starter (15 P4) vs the most difficult SOS in BYU history. Looking forward to his senior season! What a stud.

mulletino

Jan 9, 4:36pm

I think posts like OP show why posting his record is irrelevant

775coug

Jan 9, 4:41pm

Yes, his stats vs Colorado were definitely irrelevant.

mulletino

Jan 9, 4:48pm

I wouldn’t say irrelevant. They helped keep Colorado in the game

cajuncoug

Jan 9, 6:29pm

Colorado was never in the game. I’m sure play calling reflected this.

mulletino

Jan 9, 6:56pm

This is silly

cajuncoug

Jan 9, 7:13pm

Jake needs our support not our criticism. His win loss record does make him unassailable - that's my point at

HarlemCoug

Jan 9, 7:27pm

Hey you’re back

cajuncoug

Jan 9, 7:52pm

I honestly wonder what some of you would have sounded like in 1984.

MarylandFan

2:19am

Oversensitive hall monitors weren’t popular back then either. But team was good

cajuncoug

4:09am

You can B&M all offseason if you want. Your choice. But he’s your 2025 starter either way. Enjoy.

mulletino

Jan 9, 7:38pm

He is. And a pretty good one. Hopefully an even better one in 25.

cajuncoug

Jan 9, 7:54pm

If the ST doesn’t get 5 touchdowns and defense 22 int’s, he will def be exposed

Das_Countach

Jan 9, 8:25pm

Sorry you're going through such a difficult time. Thoughts and prayers.

mulletino

Jan 9, 8:45pm

Haha, I’m not, but the team def will unless he improves a lot before next yr

Das_Countach

Jan 9, 10:27pm

Current stage of grief: Bargaining.

MarylandFan

2:23am

If only he’d thrown for 400 and lost a close one like vs ASU! He’d be so much better.

mulletino

Jan 9, 4:50pm

Do you agree that teams can win in spite of their QB?

775coug

Jan 9, 5:03pm

It is in fact a team game, yes?

mulletino

Jan 9, 5:12pm

Absolutely, so it wouldn’t be fair to say a QB is great because the TEAM is 11-2

775coug

Jan 9, 5:19pm

Is there a link to me saying he’s great?

mulletino

Jan 9, 6:56pm

Ok so he’s not great. Perfect, we agree

775coug

Jan 9, 7:22pm

No, we don't agree that the team won "in spite" of Jake.

dfudge

12:02am

Like the SMU game, we won in spite of him

dtownCoug

Jan 9, 4:53pm

Did they give Retzlaff Bohanon's pick?

2FarGone

Jan 9, 5:00pm

Yay! Cam Ward did great . . . in a losing effort.

2FarGone

Jan 9, 5:02pm

Are those the only two options? You make it sound like it

CameronG

Jan 9, 5:22pm

The other option is cheer for Jake to come back and take the next step.

dfudge

12:04am

Option 3: Just don’t make horrific, costly plays in the red zone?

cajuncoug

Jan 9, 6:37pm

He threw three picks, don’t need a chart to tell us he stunk in the bowl game

Junior Deputy

Jan 9, 5:07pm

No, he did not. He threw two picks. Bohanon threw one.

2FarGone

Jan 9, 5:10pm

He threw three picks. The one on the two point conversion doesn’t count in the

Junior Deputy

Jan 9, 5:14pm

Yet INTs on 2 pt conv aren’t INTs. If the consequences of INTs on a 2 pt conv were dire, QBs would think twice.

mulletino

Jan 9, 5:18pm

Ah yes, like he “thought twice” on the other two picks in the same game.

Junior Deputy

Jan 9, 5:22pm

*4 separate occasions

Haysom Till

Jan 9, 5:24pm

Yep. One data point. He’s good and will be better in 2025.

mulletino

Jan 9, 6:57pm

RE: He threw three picks. The one on the two point conversion doesn’t count in the

Haysom Till

Jan 9, 5:26pm

lol 4 INTs. You can’t be taken seriously with garbage like that.

mulletino

Jan 9, 6:58pm

Just because you hate the team and players doesn’t make your lies relevant

NYC and Japan

Jan 9, 10:31pm

Biggest issue IMO is losing his cool/poise in critical situations

Lombardi

Jan 9, 7:19pm

Don't see Utah up there... But

CougarLegend

Jan 9, 10:50pm

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