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POLL: Was Jeanty Robbed

depressed_byu_fan

Dec 17, 11:59am

No. Just bad timing.

DKN

Dec 17, 11:59am

Robbed by the fickle fairies of happenstance, not by the misjudgment of voters

RoboKayne

Dec 17, 7:47pm

If you say he was robbed you agree with Mark Harlan

byuTX

Dec 17, 12:02pm

Yes, PFF graded him at 95.8; meanwhile:

Gustav

Dec 17, 12:03pm

How does PFF grade a two-way player?

Madam Pattirini

Dec 17, 12:25pm

Kind of like Taysom. His NFL value is far beyond just the stats.

Forzaitalia

Dec 17, 12:47pm

Good comparison. Taysom isn’t top of any group, but very good at many

NYC and Japan

Dec 17, 9:21pm

How do they grade anything? I’m sure they explain on their website ir something, but

SJS

Dec 17, 1:10pm

I would guess if he played just one way he would have graded out much higher. Playing over 100 snaps a game has to

airwolf

Dec 17, 1:04pm

Actually… 95.8 & 0 to 90.3 & 85.3

SolidBlue

Dec 17, 2:44pm

Hunter’s only accolades are that he is a two-way player. If you take just his WR

Hambone

Dec 17, 12:05pm

And what would have have done in either of those positions if he was playing one

Pee Wee Reese

Dec 17, 12:07pm

Can't base awards on hypotheticals.

Soupie

Dec 17, 2:31pm

No, but you credit a kid that plays both ways.

Pee Wee Reese

Dec 17, 2:45pm

That’s precisely why T Hunter won. Deal in what “is”… a high draftable player for either side of the ball.

SolidBlue

Dec 17, 3:39pm

The ability to do that at a high level is pretty amazing though

fulano

Dec 17, 12:10pm

Umm, playing both ways at a very high level is a really big deal. How many guys

thewaterboy

Dec 17, 12:12pm

I feel like more players could pull it off if given the chance. Lots of high

Hambone

Dec 17, 12:21pm

If they could, they would. There's a reason they don't. Because it's next to

molodyets

Dec 17, 12:26pm

they could but they don’t cause it’s inconvenient. why have 1 good player

FieroCoug

Dec 17, 12:43pm

And Hunter did it on both sides, which nobody else does, bc nobody else

molodyets

Dec 17, 1:01pm

except people have played both sides and been elite. they don't do it because it

FieroCoug

Dec 17, 1:57pm

Name one person who has done it in the past 20 years and been elite at

Rise Against

Dec 17, 2:04pm

These are the only two-way players all-time worth mentioning, and none of them were anywhere near as dominant in their

RootieBoy

Dec 17, 2:17pm

Bingo. None even close to elite in the last 20 years.

Rise Against

Dec 17, 2:22pm

Champ Bailey is the only one that comes close, an he had about half

molodyets

Dec 17, 4:52pm

What Hunter did is rarely, rarely replicated. But several players have had over

Rise Against

Dec 17, 12:13pm

Do you think Melvin Gordon was robbed?

molodyets

Dec 17, 12:20pm

Yeah but he didn't just play one of those..

goblin

Dec 17, 12:26pm

This is absolute nonsense

Coop

Dec 17, 12:34pm

"only accolades"... except for all of these other national accolades:

Rise Against

Dec 17, 1:06pm

5th best WR receiving grade, best coverage grade, #2 ovr D grade for CBs on PFF.

molodyets

Dec 17, 1:12pm

5th best is still 5th. Not 1st. Pick a position & if you play both, you'll sacrifice quality in them both.

Soupie

Dec 17, 2:33pm

The Heisman is supposed to go to the best football player in college football.

Metallicat

Dec 17, 2:52pm

Why would you just take his Off or Def stats? As a player he did both. It’s like

Metallicat

Dec 17, 1:26pm

I like Jeanty. To be fair to Hunter, though, his stats are pretty crazy. Esp when you adjust for how many times

unctoothman

Dec 17, 1:54pm

He was first team big12 on both sides of the ball.

BYU '80

Dec 17, 3:06pm

You’re comment makes it seem like playing both ways is no big deal

zerome4sooners

Dec 17, 4:17pm

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IronPotato

Dec 17, 6:18pm

Jeanty played no body, so there's that.

IronPotato

Dec 17, 6:18pm

you are 100% wrong.

realisticCoug42

Dec 17, 8:56pm

"a top" not THE top. The Heisman should be for THE top.

Soupie

Dec 17, 9:00pm

The top what? RB? QB? WR? No. The top football player. That was Travis Hunter.

Metallicat

Dec 17, 9:03pm

Disagree that playing both ways in & of itself makes him the best player.

Soupie

Dec 17, 9:05pm

It’s not just that he played both ways. He was elite on both sides of the ball.

Metallicat

Dec 17, 9:14pm

Robbed?? But I definitely think he was more deserving than Hunter

lurKing5000

Dec 17, 12:06pm

I actually wonder if we see this borne out in the playoffs

MarylandFan

Dec 17, 12:17pm

Then the same argument can be used against Detmer. Detmer’s compelling

Fatalplacebo

Dec 17, 12:21pm

I don't really have a dog in the fight.

MarylandFan

Dec 17, 12:48pm

I guess he did have a stellar game against Oregon. #1 team in the country.

MarylandFan

Dec 17, 3:53pm

Hard to say

Big12Yfan

Dec 17, 12:45pm

Hunter is huge impact on both sides of the ball

Projectoor

Dec 17, 12:58pm

He would have won most other years but Hunter is an unbelievable athlete

HimmerFredette

Dec 17, 1:07pm

Except Hunter wasn't just great at two things. He was the nation's best wide

Rise Against

Dec 17, 1:42pm

He wasn't the best defensive player. Not even close. Same at WR

Adwight

Dec 17, 1:47pm

Who is miles ahead of him at WR?

molodyets

Dec 17, 1:51pm

Nick Nash (San Jose State) is the only receiver that had more TDs than Hunter

Rise Against

Dec 17, 2:00pm

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BYU '80

Dec 17, 3:08pm

That's not what the national media voting members think. They did, in fact,

Rise Against

Dec 17, 1:53pm

Yes. Hunter is great. But Jeanty had a more impressive season.

Adwight

Dec 17, 1:46pm

If you could take one of these players to be on your team... which would you pick?

HarlemCoug

Dec 17, 2:35pm

Can't be robbed by opinion prizes.

ratherberoping

Dec 17, 1:49pm

I would have voted for Jeanty but can see a case for both. Feel Hunter's unique play & a really great PR

Soupie

Dec 17, 2:37pm

I know CB has a weird bias against ASU, but Skattebo was better than both

Schultz is back

Dec 17, 2:46pm

Hunter had 2 years of visibility. Jeanty was not nationally known for nearly as

Accipiter

Dec 17, 2:52pm

Skattebo was robbed ... of a trip to NYC. Skattebo should have finished 3rd in

CougarDanger

Dec 17, 3:21pm

Jeanty was great this year. I feel like he's hated on this board a lot because

Dwide_Schrude

Dec 17, 4:30pm

Nobody on this board "hates" him.

molodyets

Dec 17, 4:54pm

^^^

goblin

Dec 17, 4:59pm

Hey now. That’s the CU MO to think anyone who doesn’t cheer for you is a hater.

Soupie

Dec 17, 5:01pm

No lol

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