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Dec 17, 2024
2:22:57pm

Rise Against All-American

Bingo. None even close to elite in the last 20 years.

It rarely happens, and at his level probably only 5 times in the history of college football by absolute legends like Charles Woodson, Bronco Nagurski, Jim Thorpe, and Paul Hornung. So, one other player in the past 70 years has accomplished what we witnessed this year from Travis Hunter.

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Time

POLL: Was Jeanty Robbed

depressed_byu_fan

Dec 17, 11:59am

No. Just bad timing.

DKN

Dec 17, 11:59am

Robbed by the fickle fairies of happenstance, not by the misjudgment of voters

RoboKayne

Dec 17, 7:47pm

If you say he was robbed you agree with Mark Harlan

byuTX

Dec 17, 12:02pm

Yes, PFF graded him at 95.8; meanwhile:

Gustav

Dec 17, 12:03pm

How does PFF grade a two-way player?

Madam Pattirini

Dec 17, 12:25pm

Kind of like Taysom. His NFL value is far beyond just the stats.

Forzaitalia

Dec 17, 12:47pm

Good comparison. Taysom isn’t top of any group, but very good at many

NYC and Japan

Dec 17, 9:21pm

How do they grade anything? I’m sure they explain on their website ir something, but

SJS

Dec 17, 1:10pm

I would guess if he played just one way he would have graded out much higher. Playing over 100 snaps a game has to

airwolf

Dec 17, 1:04pm

Actually… 95.8 & 0 to 90.3 & 85.3

SolidBlue

Dec 17, 2:44pm

Hunter’s only accolades are that he is a two-way player. If you take just his WR

Hambone

Dec 17, 12:05pm

And what would have have done in either of those positions if he was playing one

Dec 17, 12:07pm

Can't base awards on hypotheticals.

Soupie

Dec 17, 2:31pm

No, but you credit a kid that plays both ways.

Dec 17, 2:45pm

That’s precisely why T Hunter won. Deal in what “is”… a high draftable player for either side of the ball.

SolidBlue

Dec 17, 3:39pm

The ability to do that at a high level is pretty amazing though

fulano

Dec 17, 12:10pm

Umm, playing both ways at a very high level is a really big deal. How many guys

thewaterboy

Dec 17, 12:12pm

I feel like more players could pull it off if given the chance. Lots of high

Hambone

Dec 17, 12:21pm

If they could, they would. There's a reason they don't. Because it's next to

molodyets

Dec 17, 12:26pm

they could but they don’t cause it’s inconvenient. why have 1 good player

FieroCoug

Dec 17, 12:43pm

And Hunter did it on both sides, which nobody else does, bc nobody else

molodyets

Dec 17, 1:01pm

except people have played both sides and been elite. they don't do it because it

FieroCoug

Dec 17, 1:57pm

Name one person who has done it in the past 20 years and been elite at

Dec 17, 2:04pm

These are the only two-way players all-time worth mentioning, and none of them were anywhere near as dominant in their

RootieBoy

Dec 17, 2:17pm

Bingo. None even close to elite in the last 20 years.

Dec 17, 2:22pm

Champ Bailey is the only one that comes close, an he had about half

molodyets

Dec 17, 4:52pm

What Hunter did is rarely, rarely replicated. But several players have had over

Dec 17, 12:13pm

Do you think Melvin Gordon was robbed?

molodyets

Dec 17, 12:20pm

Yeah but he didn't just play one of those..

goblin

Dec 17, 12:26pm

This is absolute nonsense

Coop

Dec 17, 12:34pm

"only accolades"... except for all of these other national accolades:

Dec 17, 1:06pm

5th best WR receiving grade, best coverage grade, #2 ovr D grade for CBs on PFF.

molodyets

Dec 17, 1:12pm

5th best is still 5th. Not 1st. Pick a position & if you play both, you'll sacrifice quality in them both.

Soupie

Dec 17, 2:33pm

The Heisman is supposed to go to the best football player in college football.

Metallicat

Dec 17, 2:52pm

Why would you just take his Off or Def stats? As a player he did both. It’s like

Metallicat

Dec 17, 1:26pm

I like Jeanty. To be fair to Hunter, though, his stats are pretty crazy. Esp when you adjust for how many times

unctoothman

Dec 17, 1:54pm

He was first team big12 on both sides of the ball.

BYU '80

Dec 17, 3:06pm

You’re comment makes it seem like playing both ways is no big deal

Dec 17, 4:17pm

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IronPotato

Dec 17, 6:18pm

Jeanty played no body, so there's that.

IronPotato

Dec 17, 6:18pm

you are 100% wrong.

realisticCoug42

Dec 17, 8:56pm

"a top" not THE top. The Heisman should be for THE top.

Soupie

Dec 17, 9:00pm

The top what? RB? QB? WR? No. The top football player. That was Travis Hunter.

Metallicat

Dec 17, 9:03pm

Disagree that playing both ways in & of itself makes him the best player.

Soupie

Dec 17, 9:05pm

It’s not just that he played both ways. He was elite on both sides of the ball.

Metallicat

Dec 17, 9:14pm

Robbed?? But I definitely think he was more deserving than Hunter

lurKing5000

Dec 17, 12:06pm

I actually wonder if we see this borne out in the playoffs

MarylandFan

Dec 17, 12:17pm

Then the same argument can be used against Detmer. Detmer’s compelling

Dec 17, 12:21pm

I don't really have a dog in the fight.

MarylandFan

Dec 17, 12:48pm

I guess he did have a stellar game against Oregon. #1 team in the country.

MarylandFan

Dec 17, 3:53pm

Hard to say

Big12Yfan

Dec 17, 12:45pm

Hunter is huge impact on both sides of the ball

Projectoor

Dec 17, 12:58pm

He would have won most other years but Hunter is an unbelievable athlete

Dec 17, 1:07pm

Except Hunter wasn't just great at two things. He was the nation's best wide

Dec 17, 1:42pm

He wasn't the best defensive player. Not even close. Same at WR

Adwight

Dec 17, 1:47pm

Who is miles ahead of him at WR?

molodyets

Dec 17, 1:51pm

Nick Nash (San Jose State) is the only receiver that had more TDs than Hunter

Dec 17, 2:00pm

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BYU '80

Dec 17, 3:08pm

That's not what the national media voting members think. They did, in fact,

Dec 17, 1:53pm

Yes. Hunter is great. But Jeanty had a more impressive season.

Adwight

Dec 17, 1:46pm

If you could take one of these players to be on your team... which would you pick?

HarlemCoug

Dec 17, 2:35pm

Can't be robbed by opinion prizes.

Dec 17, 1:49pm

I would have voted for Jeanty but can see a case for both. Feel Hunter's unique play & a really great PR

Soupie

Dec 17, 2:37pm

I know CB has a weird bias against ASU, but Skattebo was better than both

Schultz is back

Dec 17, 2:46pm

Hunter had 2 years of visibility. Jeanty was not nationally known for nearly as

Accipiter

Dec 17, 2:52pm

Skattebo was robbed ... of a trip to NYC. Skattebo should have finished 3rd in

CougarDanger

Dec 17, 3:21pm

Jeanty was great this year. I feel like he's hated on this board a lot because

Dwide_Schrude

Dec 17, 4:30pm

Nobody on this board "hates" him.

molodyets

Dec 17, 4:54pm

^^^

goblin

Dec 17, 4:59pm

Hey now. That’s the CU MO to think anyone who doesn’t cheer for you is a hater.

Soupie

Dec 17, 5:01pm

No lol

Dec 17, 6:26pm

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