Easy to get swamped by the "data" being thrown around. Cliffs notes: Retzlaff is bad, fire arod, and Hill is infallible

Dec 7, 2024
6:42:42pm

GoodBetterBestBYU Walk-on

The volume of arguments and posts actually aren't data or evidence. I finally had to withdraw from the melee..

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Clearly, out of the 3 areas…

airbug

Dec 7, 11:44am

You want changes on a 10-2 team?

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 11:45am

I want the offense to be better than it was this year. In most games it was

russkiejedi

Dec 7, 11:46am

Me too. But that doesn't necessarily mean wholesale changes.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 11:47am

It doesn't mean firing the OC, for sure.

Madam Pattirini

Dec 7, 11:49am

It certainly won't mean that. Doesn't mean that the OC shouldn't adjust the

russkiejedi

Dec 7, 11:54am

Laughable that the average CBer thinks Arod did a poor job this year

Hammer15

Dec 8, 1:40am

We have exactly the offense he recruited and coaches

BeyondTheMark

Dec 8, 10:34am

Recruiting before we were in the big12 vs after

Hammer15

Dec 8, 11:16am

We actually have a ton of Grimes recruits on the roster. ARods first real class

puntersarepeople

Dec 8, 3:27pm

Barely is the operative word

airbug

Dec 7, 11:47am

You think the offense lost us the AZ St game? You would be wrong.

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 11:52am

They will never get it. Kalani, Hill, and Arod know what's up though.

rcbyufan

Dec 7, 12:01pm

I think the defense kept us in it and the offense wasn't good enough.

russkiejedi

Dec 7, 12:05pm

And yet at 3.5 points per drive our defense acted like the #131 defense and at 2.88 ppd

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 12:38pm

Honestly it baffles me how big your bias is to blame that game on the offense.

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 12:44pm

ASU was going to score points. They've done so all year. Offense needed to keep

russkiejedi

Dec 7, 2:56pm

How many points per drive did they average on the season? It wasn't 3.5. Was our defense significantly worse than

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 3:40pm

We were only down 14 before special teams dropped the ball

puntersarepeople

Dec 7, 6:47pm

Hold up, it “baffles you” that BYUs O scoring just 23 points, 5 LESS than ASUs

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 3:22pm

Yes. Anyone who didn't realize we only had 8 possessions because of horrible defense doesn't know what is happening.

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 3:35pm

Lolz, “only the Oracle Kimmyboy understands what is happening” …nobody else 😂

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 4:22pm

Almost everybody understands it. Sorry if you are not one of those people.

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 9:59pm

The comparison to ASU's offense makes me laugh. In almost every loss the offense

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 3:39pm

I like the eye roll. Any substantive response?

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 3:50pm

Haha, your poor track record hasn’t earned it

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 3:53pm

Yes, my track record of...saying that 23 points in 8 possessions is generally

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 3:57pm

Arguing with a troll that hates the cougars is pointless. He just calls names

NYC and Japan

Dec 7, 4:37pm

Haha, I am a better fan than you, look at my years of history, I just expect

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 5:29pm

My dad can beat up your dad.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 5:40pm

Probably, he’s in his 70s

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 6:17pm

Mine is dead though.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 6:18pm

weeeell… that makes this wager much more difficult then

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 6:51pm

O, D and ST all had great halves and bad haves, good games and bad games

NYC and Japan

Dec 7, 12:46pm

100%

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 12:51pm

Of the 3 Offense was by far the weakest link all season— ST/D way over performed

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 3:24pm

Do you recall we put up 3 points in the first half?

imdocrob

Dec 7, 5:57pm

Too bad we didn’t play a second half. And too bad we can’t compare to the

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 6:03pm

Don't fight the bias, just let it burn. They had 9 games of offseason negativity to unleash once we finally lost

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 6:38pm

you're right it was the defense that missed a wide open Jojo or the pick

imdocrob

Dec 7, 7:59pm

I don't know if you missed the point of the conversation or what, but no one was

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 8:03pm

I do believe the point of this whole topic was about the three

imdocrob

Dec 7, 8:15pm

Look at the comment you responded to.

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 8:23pm

Ha its a small CB gaslighting mob that tells you what you saw CLEARLY wasnt what

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 8:31pm

Solid reverse post! You were literally describing the tiny group that just can't stop harping on things that are obvious

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 8:49pm

who is ignoring the positives...if you read you would see that the topic stated

imdocrob

Dec 7, 9:57pm

I actually think it is a small group who continually diverts every thread to somehow kvetch about the same things

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 10:53pm

*CB Gaslight mob* “..uh oh, they’re speaking logically HURRY!! Down vote them!!”

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 10:56pm

Literal case in point. But here I am getting sucked back into the negative spin cycle. Shame on me

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 10:59pm

RE: Literal case in point. But here I am getting sucked back into the negative

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 11:00pm

He keeps saying the “mob” and “bat signal”

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 11:04pm

Those words mob, gaslight, bat signal,

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 11:30pm

Missed this one earlier— but if Arod is as good as you claim, then he’s going to

Das_Countach

Dec 8, 12:40am

OH! …forgot to mention, theyll put out the bat signal & 👎🙄 you all day too lol

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 8:55pm

Yes, the defense had a tougher offense to face than our offense had facing ASU's defense...

Coug

Dec 7, 11:51pm

It’s tough, we can admit the team had a great season while also realizing ARod

MrSandman

Dec 7, 10:22pm

…careful, the CB gaslight mob is going to get sic’d on you— that said, I dont

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 11:18pm

At this point one has to conclude that you are just making stuff up

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 11:23pm

Haha are you a Democrat? Because your behaviors exactly why ur party got crushed

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 11:33pm

No I’m not. And your post has nothing to do with what I posted.

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 11:42pm

RE: No I’m not. And your post has nothing to do with what I posted.

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 11:55pm

Yes

bluecougar1985

Dec 7, 11:48am

RE: Yes

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 11:48am

Do you have expectations in your life?

GoodGuyGary1

Dec 7, 1:26pm

This is so dumb. Acting like there aren’t any issues shows how much you lack

bookofdaniel

Dec 7, 1:57pm

Wanting wholesale changes after going 10-2 shows you are dumb.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 2:09pm

Who said I wanted wholesale changes?? QB needs to be better. He’s good not great

bookofdaniel

Dec 7, 2:10pm

So you don't want changes? Just improvement.. cool me too.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 2:14pm

100% agree with this take. Even if the team was 12-0, there are always things to

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 3:41pm

Switching out an OC is absolutely wholesale change.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 3:42pm

lol, no, it’s not— it’s one out of the three groups— the underperforming one

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 3:44pm

Completely changing the offense isn't wholesale change? As you said lol.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 3:46pm

Some position coaches could prob retained, like Gilford was when Hill joined

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 3:48pm

I've tried to pin you down on this, so here is a great chance. Simple question

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 3:46pm

Easy to get swamped by the "data" being thrown around. Cliffs notes: Retzlaff is bad, fire arod, and Hill is infallible

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 6:42pm

Decent assessment, except Retz isn’t “bad” but also not as good as some CBers

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 6:59pm

That was a huge TIC

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 7:26pm

Yeah, I could tell

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 7:44pm

Yes a qb that can throw long passes accurately 50% of the time.

fan32

Dec 7, 7:59pm

Are you happy that the offense is ranked #58 in FBS as of today?

CT98

Dec 7, 10:18pm

What measure are you using to say 58th?

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 10:20pm

Yards per game. I know this is just one measure but it is a statistical line

CT98

Dec 7, 10:22pm

It’s actually not that indicative. Yards per game depends highly on pace of play

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 11:46pm

Our offense is the worst of the three phases is an ice cold take. Everyone knows

NGB

Dec 7, 11:47am

Solution.…no changes?

airbug

Dec 7, 11:48am

You must have missed the changes they made last year?

I'mBatman

Dec 7, 11:54am

You wouldn't know from some of the discussion on here.

russkiejedi

Dec 7, 11:48am

Doubt [x]

NGB

Dec 7, 11:49am

Jefe, PLEASE make a coaching complaints category. The time has come.

dYrtbYkerYder

Dec 7, 11:48am

There's another website specifically for that

NGB

Dec 7, 11:50am

This, so I can ignore it. Thank you.

Mozey

Dec 7, 12:19pm

That would be awesome. Then I might be able to come on CB after a loss. Usually:

Meadowcoug

Dec 7, 1:25pm

Totally agree. Call it Cougarboard coaching fire-storm

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 3:44pm

Jefe doesn't have any incentive to do that because the conflict generates views and ad revenue. It would be category

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 7:38pm

For years our defense was weak link, makes one wonder when could ever synch them up

CLCougar

Dec 7, 11:49am

Here's a huge change: our QB and most starters will get a whole year better.

Brandoblueblood

Dec 7, 12:50pm

No. The lines are all graduating. Next season will be tough

TNT

Dec 7, 6:14pm

Bring in another offensive analyst or two to help with play calling, film

Cougarite

Dec 7, 1:17pm

There are/will be lots of changes silly. New players coming in, less used

boctabulous

Dec 7, 1:59pm

Defense wasn't so great second half of year, giving up 24 points per game.

viper

Dec 7, 2:46pm

Interesting correlation, Offense struggled way more 2nd half, keeping D on the

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 3:30pm

Have any stats to back that up? Seems like a time of possession claim, so it

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 3:49pm

At this point it doesnt matter caus if I told you the skys blue, youd deny it 😂

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 3:56pm

Can you point to anytime you used an objective stat instead of your own claims,

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 3:57pm

You are the easiest to debunk buddy

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 4:02pm

You fail to debunk anyone. Name calling is not debunking.

NYC and Japan

Dec 7, 4:34pm

…do you creepily read all my comments, otherwise how would you know 😂

Das_Countach

Dec 7, 5:32pm

I went ahead and looked it up, pre and post Oklahoma State

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 4:07pm

That's too much data 🙂

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 6:55pm

I did notice there was no response.

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 7:10pm

I was talking essentially from # of possessions perspective. 24 PPG is bad D

viper

Dec 7, 5:48pm

I wonder who has responsibility for recruiting on offense?

BYUSunriver

Dec 7, 3:35pm

There are changes. Our QB now has a full year of P4 starting experience.

Reasonable1

Dec 7, 4:18pm

Running back running seemed particularly weak. It only worked when our pass was

HeyU

Dec 7, 4:40pm

Y'all are crazy. The team is 10-2. The QB, running back and a lot of the

BYUFan2010

Dec 8, 1:25am

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