time. He was absolutely gracious and helpful and he gained nothing from it. He loves byu and during covid served a senior mission. After byu he served as president of the UV chamber of commerce and as exec director of the state's Econ Development, so he's a capable guy. I've heard/read several recent interviews and yes, he is selling a book. I assume being thrown out with the bathwater sticks in his craw but I don't get the blowback.