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Nov 13, 2024
10:17:48am

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sidsie716

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Time

Details from the arrest of the bottle thrower-

byubyu

Nov 13, 9:42am

good for Dad, better late than never. (and maybe he didn't see it)

TheRowdy

Nov 13, 9:44am

Yep. Dad is helping him face consequences for his actions, that's the right thing to do.

durandal

Nov 13, 9:57am

The dad probably realized someone else would eventually ID them, so better to

CharlottesvilleCoug

Nov 13, 10:23am

So instead we'll assume the absolute worst possible motive?

durandal

Nov 13, 10:35am

Would your kid say F Utah and throw a water bottle at people all while

Cobra Venom

Nov 13, 11:33am

I don't know. BYU has not lost to Utah since they were babies, so hard to say.

RoboKayne

Nov 13, 1:18pm

Utah fan so it isn't an assumption.

shimmy

Nov 13, 11:42am

Well - why does the son feel comfortable yelling that and throwing the bottle in

truecougster

Nov 13, 1:07pm

Why not? The punk yelled expletives at the opposing team and threw

BlueFever

Nov 13, 1:50pm

Extreme ute fandom requires a little mental illness to be in there somewhere IMO.

Knight-who-says-ni

Nov 13, 2:27pm

You may be right.

BlueFever

Nov 13, 2:42pm

What are you even talking about? This is about the father's actions, not the son's.

durandal

Nov 13, 2:54pm

If Dad had turned him in right away I would assume good intentions but since he

CameronG

Nov 13, 4:26pm

Who's to say his dad knew where the bottle landed

roadrash

Nov 13, 5:43pm

He turned him in the next day. It was 1am what did you expect?

Cougarite

Nov 13, 6:41pm

Dude - c’mon. We have no idea so let’s not say probably.

RWaters

Nov 13, 10:37am

I'd probably assume they'd never identify him. And I'm not sure that it will

fattycoug

Nov 13, 10:52am

The first part of your post I think is very plausible. I know if that was me I would be assuming that my son would be

KYU

Nov 13, 12:43pm

Yep. Someone may have told them I’m telling the police or her remarks that they

ColonelMustard

Nov 13, 12:57pm

I'm prone to giving the Dad the benefit of the doubt that he was doing the right

CougarDanger

Nov 13, 11:09am

Exactly. Did the right thing regardless of motive.

Les IsMore

Nov 13, 3:07pm

Ripliancum

Nov 13, 11:35am

Assumed dad was giving the son the opportunity to turn himself in, then turned

Ripliancum

Nov 13, 11:36am

Good for his dad turning him in. Nice life lesson to that kid

Cougz19

Nov 13, 9:44am

Assumption: Dad is a Ute fan too. Conclusion: Class exists somewhere among them

xgbs

Nov 13, 11:00am

Many Ute fans are good people. Just hard to see that amongst all the ones who

CougarDanger

Nov 13, 11:10am

Wow. Dad called in to say his son was the suspect.

dallasbyu

Nov 13, 9:44am

Sad all around. I'm hoping that some good can come out of this for both parties.

LegitCoug

Nov 13, 9:44am

It's good to know that the culprit was apprehended and will be held accountable

EM_Puma

Nov 13, 10:01am

My wife watches TV shows as background during the day. They are all

Blue for Life

Nov 13, 12:47pm

I might have thought as my son's friend before I had seen what was happening to

EM_Puma

Nov 13, 1:19pm

Sad, on many levels.

WIGGIN

Nov 13, 9:45am

Good job Dad. Not sure about the timing and there are many things we will not

Cougar TD

Nov 13, 9:46am

This is definitely 100% speculation on my part, but the timing of it and the dad

TheNerd

Nov 13, 9:51am

Here’s some more speculation…. I wonder if the U told him you better figure out

Cougar86

Nov 13, 9:58am

Could have easily been this, either way I am glad that they are moving forward

Cougar TD

Nov 13, 10:40am

That's a lot of speculation. It wasn't widely reported until Monday. Get's

fattycoug

Nov 13, 10:54am

They may not have even known it hit someone until they heard it on the news the

Cougarite

Nov 13, 2:00pm

👏 for dad

cheezedawg

Nov 13, 9:47am

That was a hard thing to do, Dad.

DirtyWater

Nov 13, 9:50am

I'm guessing dad only turned him in when he knew he was going to get caught.

kimdaddy35

Nov 13, 9:56am

Could have also wanted to contact his attorney first as well?

RootieBoy

Nov 13, 9:58am

What’s the plan there? Hope the attorney

NanoFab Coug

Nov 13, 10:00am

You should always have a defense attorney when facing charges.

sidsie716

Nov 13, 10:17am

Are you an attorney?

sfeuz

Nov 13, 12:26pm

No. Forensic Psychologist (but I have a JD along with a PhD- joint grad program)

sidsie716

Nov 13, 2:06pm

Always consult with an attorney if you know you are about to be arrested, always

RenoCoug

Nov 13, 11:58am

The fact Dad had to do it means the son refused after Dad tried to get him to do

DirtyWater

Nov 13, 9:58am

What you are suggesting makes a lot of sense

KYU

Nov 13, 12:45pm

Yeah, I'm sure they knew that with all the video and witnesses that it would get

QBarrister

Nov 13, 9:59am

Early Sunday morning there were already reports that authorities had a good idea

bluesloth

Nov 13, 10:06am

I think it's entirely possible dad (or kid) didn't know it hit anyone until it

fattycoug

Nov 13, 10:55am

Possible, but seems unlikely. If I threw something I would watch to see where it went.

kimdaddy35

Nov 13, 12:39pm

If that was the case, how would he ever know it was his bottle that hit her?

kansascougar

Nov 13, 1:00pm

Intent irrelevant. He did a good thing.

xgbs

Nov 13, 11:01am

Kids these days don't know how to talk on phones. Esp 'suite' kids

Dataguy

Nov 13, 11:56am

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preneur

Nov 13, 10:07am

Eeek. Ouch, that would hurt, but wouldn't reflect on him in my opinion because

EM_Puma

Nov 13, 10:11am

Feel bad for Christian Gardner, who seems like a great guy

anonymous37

Nov 13, 10:26am

ParentingNotForSissy

Nov 13, 11:57am

Maybe not his dad, but highly

Thunder

Nov 13, 10:18am

is this the Kem Gardner family? I assume it was his suite and his grandson

stan

Nov 13, 5:55pm

Pretty sure it wasn't Christian's son--he doesn't have an 18yo son iirc

Buckeye

Nov 13, 11:22am

So was it metal or plastic?

Heath Squashwell

Nov 13, 10:13am

Plastic

JuicyJam

Nov 13, 10:14am

But full - still had some heft. Very dangerous object launched from upstairs like that.

CalGTR

Nov 13, 10:27am

It says disposable water bottle.

Madam Pattirini

Nov 13, 10:32am

Right, so probably plastic, but I've seen more and more aluminum disposable water bottles at

bag

Nov 13, 10:35am

It was disposable impact 12 venues disposable water bottles are normally aluminum

KYU

Nov 13, 12:46pm

Wow won’t be hard to prove motive with what he yelled

cypresstx

Nov 13, 10:19am

What motive would they be trying to prove that would be difficult without his

SuperTank

Nov 13, 10:59am

Hate crime

mvtoro

Nov 13, 11:49am

Class A Misdemeanor is the most serious level. In addition to other aspects of sentence, I vote that his

CLCougar

Nov 13, 10:42am

He should clean the toilets with his Utah hoodie, the only thing to do with it.

Blue for Life

Nov 13, 12:51pm

The victim needs to make sure assault charges are filed and then a civil against

sfeuz

Nov 13, 1:13pm

Why so many cbers being soft on this jerk, who's mimicking the worst yewt fans.

sfeuz

Nov 13, 1:15pm

Not mimcking....HE IS ONE OF. THE WORST UTE FANS

TheHop

Nov 13, 1:21pm

Dad should have had his son make the call.

goseabass

Nov 13, 11:00am

If 18 year old refused to, you cannot exactly physically force them to.

sidsie716

Nov 13, 11:14am

I think it was wise for the dad to call. You need a chance to get your lawyer ready. Dad calls police on Sunday. Says

HarlemCoug

Nov 13, 12:27pm

This is PR driven, Dad is helping the U's image, not doing right by his son

davidsonlaw

Nov 13, 11:19am

Kid was screaming *F* BYU and throwing stuff while there with family... what a great family.

AltTabbins

Nov 13, 11:24am

Lots of great families have kids who do stupid things

Buckeye

Nov 13, 11:44am

How many of them do it right there with the family?

AltTabbins

Nov 13, 11:46am

They have money......They most likely are going to pay big time.

TheHop

Nov 13, 11:40am

The 18 year old son may not have money.

ParentingNotForSissy

Nov 13, 12:13pm

They would sue the owner of the suite tickets then.

VACOUGFAN

Nov 13, 3:31pm

Sue the program that promotes that behavior, a la Harlan (and his non-reprimand)

Brandoblueblood

Nov 13, 5:13pm

Them too. There will be plenty of parties.

VACOUGFAN

Nov 13, 7:22pm

I'm sure a plea is already in the works

Fido

Nov 13, 11:43am

Where did you get that info? Link?

kansascougar

Nov 13, 11:45am

Not overly worried about criminal prosecution. Families with Table seats have money, and she’ll get a nice piece in her

mvtoro

Nov 13, 11:50am

Good on them for calling this in, respect

RenoCoug

Nov 13, 11:56am

"Remember everyone - this kind of thing happens at

CougarLegend

Nov 13, 12:27pm

We threw pom poms at the refs at half time of a game against Utah at LES.

LeGrandBleu

Nov 13, 1:20pm

Rekt

eysikal

Nov 13, 12:33pm

Last name is familiar

The Grrinch

Nov 13, 2:40pm

Maybe grandson, someone said Dad is Christan

sfeuz

Nov 13, 4:32pm

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The Grrinch

Nov 13, 4:39pm

Wow. Big respect to the dad

zerome4sooners

Nov 13, 4:09pm

My wife thought maybe the bottle was for Cosmo, who was in the area.

sfeuz

Nov 13, 4:36pm

I guarantee he wasn’t aiming for her specifically. If he were, it would be somewhat worse, but the seriousness of an

mvtoro

Nov 13, 4:50pm

Embarrassing for Ken Garff?

Brandoblueblood

Nov 13, 5:12pm

Most likely Dad called police on behalf of son to avoid additional dumb behavior

kapcreations

Nov 13, 5:31pm

Maybe he'll reform and start rooting for BYU.

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