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I am hearing that some talented college teams are starting to crack because of NIL payments not being made on time, NIL promises not kept or jealousy among teammates. Not a value judgement on NIL. It’s just human nature. The “new normal.”
— Fran Fraschilla (@franfraschilla) December 14, 2022

https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1603172537827033089

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Utah NILs - I have it on good authority (my brother)

AFitisemanu

12/14/22 2:10pm

Who is your brother?

All-American

12/14/22 2:11pm

This guy.

hebercreeper

12/14/22 2:13pm

That's not true.

TailgateU

12/14/22 8:28pm

RE: Who is your brother?

hydrocoug

12/14/22 2:14pm

RE: Who is your brother?

CougarTailDevourer

12/14/22 2:27pm

RE: Who is your brother?

Big12Yfan

12/14/22 2:34pm

RE: Who is your brother?

Carnac

12/14/22 6:43pm

Very dangerous game if a school gets a rep for not paying up.

cougar95

12/14/22 2:12pm

I think a lot of schools are doing it. That’s why the portal is crazy and A&M

BYUheaven

12/14/22 2:32pm

At what point do our now, non-amateur, college athletes start to sign contracts?

JupiterJones

12/14/22 2:44pm

How would that change anything exactly? If you're "under contract" to play at

Kajdin

12/14/22 3:07pm

Then you sue the school for breach of contract.

Cougarclaw

12/14/22 4:40pm

As this progresses, I don't see colleges wanting to dish out the dollars to kids

JupiterJones

12/14/22 5:00pm

Yep. Except pro sports regulars all this stuff. I'm guessing they all went

Great38

12/14/22 5:46pm

Pro sports regulate endorsement deals?

Scratch

12/14/22 5:48pm

No, I mean salary caps and free agency regulation.

Great38

12/14/22 5:50pm

Right, which is meaningless in this context because those deal with salaries,

Scratch

12/14/22 6:24pm

CB and rumors

CrimsonCardinal

12/14/22 5:23pm

I’m just curious

gocougs719

12/14/22 5:29pm

Not quite.

CrimsonCardinal

12/14/22 5:53pm

I like how you added the Kyle Whittinham hates BYU angle

Carnac

12/14/22 6:45pm

We both know it was coming

CrimsonCardinal

12/14/22 6:51pm

By that logic, The Ute board is about male anatomy and ED. (mainly referring to your quote)

RealityCheck

12/15/22 10:33am

I would agree but for a few reasons…

gocougs719

12/14/22 8:33pm

Very well said. Thanks for posting.

The_Cuss

12/14/22 9:35pm

Are you sure that’s who he is? You think he was getting on cougarboard and

Scratch

12/14/22 10:34pm

It’s not an indictment necessarily on KWhitt

gocougs719

12/14/22 11:32pm

I mean he was openly critical of Whit years ago on this board while he was

Scratch

12/14/22 11:44pm

Oh, well yeah Whit is a massive dork. 😂

gocougs719

12/15/22 8:24am

There's a lot of reasons I doubt this is Alema

krindorr

12/15/22 8:27am

Why would Alema not publicly denounce it the

gocougs719

12/15/22 12:26pm

Probably the same reason Keith Van Horn never denounced me

krindorr

12/15/22 12:32pm

Massive successes like not beating any non conference opponents?

stoils

12/15/22 1:46pm

RE: I’m just curious

YandU

12/14/22 9:24pm

Already happening:

Abe Froman

12/14/22 6:45pm

Why not? Nothing is binding. Get the kid in with fake promises, win, maybe he'll stay. Repeat.

zonacougar

12/14/22 2:13pm

Sounds like Utah MO already.

panacablue

12/14/22 2:18pm

You can't be serious? My brother said and you're off and running

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 2:43pm

My brother said you don't even have a brother, brother

JupiterJones

12/14/22 2:44pm

uhhh he might be a legit source because I actually don't.

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 3:57pm

Just from another mother

Q-grr

12/15/22 12:28am

Non-commitable offers are Utah's thing. It is what it is.

panacablue

12/14/22 2:46pm

Stoooooop...

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 3:58pm

That's the point. We will not stoop, no matter how tempting or ugly it gets

MaxxPower

12/15/22 4:06am

nonfundable offer is the new noncommitable offer

Cougarclaw

12/14/22 4:41pm

I'll allow it..

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 4:42pm

Can you all use some of that money for a west concourse bathroom?

Mabuhay Coug

12/14/22 5:04pm

Because the word gets out and then you can't lure anyone, even with ready money.

Sactown Cougar

12/14/22 2:23pm

Not even pay for play.

CougarCanuck76

12/14/22 2:13pm

I really struggle to believe that. If true its a massive failure for Utah.

rad dawg

12/14/22 2:14pm

A&M didn't get good value either

cypresstx

12/14/22 2:19pm

Isn't a huge % of their "greatest CFB class ever" in the portal?

Kajdin

12/14/22 3:08pm

Yeah people can promise anything they want

canuckchuck

12/14/22 2:15pm

If the SCHOOL is promising this, it's supposed to be illegal. I don't know why a

fattycoug

12/14/22 2:21pm

It’s certainly donors or a collective of crazy fans

canuckchuck

12/14/22 2:23pm

My understanding is that there is no collective set up at utah, yet

fattycoug

12/14/22 2:24pm

RE: My understanding is that there is no collective set up at utah, yet

rad dawg

12/14/22 2:27pm

I'm aware of that kind of collective. It's a player led one that is run by

fattycoug

12/14/22 2:35pm

Is this one a similar deal?

rad dawg

12/14/22 2:40pm

That one is like CouagrConnect, it seems. Not gonna be huge money

fattycoug

12/14/22 2:44pm

website says they are $4160/$10,000 per month goal with 200 members. That

Armchaircoug

12/14/22 2:36pm

Nobody can promise it upon conditions they sign/ attend. Main NIL rule

Bobmarleyjr

12/14/22 10:37pm

Right, but they can make it so simple to fulfill agreements for cash etc.

The_Cuss

12/14/22 11:02pm

All NIL deals are basically pay to play but they still can’t do it conditioned

Bobmarleyjr

12/15/22 12:09am

And there are obvious and simple workarounds for that. Simply saying come to

The_Cuss

12/15/22 1:46am

Just need someone else to do/say it

Gustav

12/14/22 2:25pm

It's clear that programs don't feel like they need to follow any rules right now.

kccougar

12/14/22 2:29pm

It's not a lie if you believe it. or want to believe it. or because you believe

Cougarclaw

12/14/22 4:42pm

I have it on good authority (player) Utah promised players $25k delivered $3k.

SlimShady

12/14/22 2:24pm

That's complete and utter nonsense, there's absolutely no way that

neboutefan

12/14/22 2:27pm

If the poster is who I think it is....he used to be part of BYU's recruiting

BE-WHY-YOU

12/14/22 2:40pm

And Utah's

BluePie

12/14/22 3:49pm

RE: If the poster is who I think it is....he used to be part of BYU's recruiting

krindorr

12/15/22 6:13am

Yep, the U would never hire anyone that went or played for BYU🤦‍♂️

Mabuhay Coug

12/14/22 5:06pm

They just hired Logan Fano

Bullrider

12/14/22 8:43pm

Lol. Utes just can’t help but look and say silly things.

The_Cuss

12/14/22 7:05pm

I think your TIC meter may need a tune-up.

neboutefan

12/14/22 8:50pm

Utes stating wild ridiculous posts on CB all the time screw up TIC meters.

The_Cuss

12/14/22 9:36pm

No argument there.

neboutefan

12/14/22 9:45pm

I wouldn't be surprised - based on my meeting w/ uu/Whitt about NIL in October –

Benfica1

12/14/22 2:33pm

Criddle said on his show he’s heard they’ve raised 4 million

I'mBatman

12/14/22 2:36pm

uu's been pushing NIL hard for the last couple months. They have media partners.

Benfica1

12/14/22 2:42pm

Most of the local sports media are Ute fans

I'mBatman

12/14/22 2:58pm

That's the thing. The NIL isn't for the schools to "raise". The whole ruling was the individual players

CSoul

12/14/22 3:49pm

Them promising but not being able to come up with the money would be awesome.

cougaman

12/14/22 2:40pm

Can we at least get some background on your brother's ability to know

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 2:42pm

Alena Fitisimanu?

BluePie

12/14/22 2:43pm

Why would I believe a BYU alum knows the inner workings of Utah football?

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 2:52pm

BigUte knows the inner workings of everything BYU.

BYUheaven

12/14/22 2:58pm

RE: Why would I believe a BYU alum knows the inner workings of Utah football?

fattycoug

12/14/22 3:00pm

Good chance he’s had some relatives there.

BluePie

12/14/22 3:01pm

It's 2020, not a chance something like that is broken by a brother from

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 3:11pm

RE: It's 2020, not a chance something like that is broken by a brother from

mobius

12/14/22 3:34pm

literally lol!

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 4:01pm

How about because he used to work in Utah's AD including being heavily involved

CougarTailDevourer

12/14/22 3:03pm

RE: Why would I believe a BYU alum knows the inner workings of Utah football?

rad dawg

12/14/22 3:04pm

So he's trying to get his brother fired then? Saying your brother is told you

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 3:13pm

You asked the question I answered.

rad dawg

12/14/22 3:23pm

Fair..

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 3:58pm

I have no idea if he's right or if he's even Alema Fitisimanu.

BluePie

12/14/22 3:37pm

Oh...well then I'll eat a gummy and relax

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 3:57pm

medicated?

BluePie

12/14/22 4:00pm

Of course? Plain gummies are just bad for your teeth, I am a Ute after all

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 4:02pm

Enjoy

BluePie

12/14/22 4:08pm

The Utah polynesian football community is well connected at both schools

machete

12/14/22 4:02pm

I'd be VERY hesitant to believe this is Alema Fitisimanu

krindorr

12/15/22 6:11am

Yeah, who knows. Why wouldn’t the real AF say that isn’t me though? I would

gocougs719

12/15/22 8:32am

I'm not sure the real AF is here or aware

krindorr

12/15/22 8:37am

boosters ponying up. trust me. my brother knows

OC_Ute

12/14/22 2:53pm

Beehive Bail Bonds coupons and Charmin TP are big time.

Turnpike Lane

12/14/22 3:04pm

NIL for a bail bond service - PERFECT! 🙂

FiveTen-BuckEighty

12/14/22 3:08pm

A relative of another "Insider"!

Benfica1

12/14/22 3:47pm

Naw, they are promising the money then going begging to boosters to cover. And the boosters

CSoul

12/14/22 3:47pm

Do you actually know this is happening? Or this is your supposition? Honest

kos

12/14/22 4:20pm

You already know the answer to this...

Ute_Truther

12/14/22 4:23pm

Relatives of insiders always have insider information. It has to be true.

Benfica1

12/14/22 4:26pm

Now this a rumor I can support!

higgins

12/14/22 3:17pm

Athletes will sue and win

1984coug

12/14/22 3:29pm

They won't have any evidence. That's the brilliance of it.

rad dawg

12/14/22 3:40pm

And then the FBI will get involved like the did for Bball

Nat Gas Man

12/14/22 6:35pm

If I was an athlete I’d demand it in writing or record phone calls

1984coug

12/15/22 11:01am

I’d video record every recruiting conversation as well

Nat Gas Man

12/15/22 12:10pm

RE: Utah NILs - I have it on good authority (my brother)

WookieMonster

12/14/22 3:53pm

Utah legislature about to order up another audit?

Short_Changed

12/14/22 4:06pm

Utah NILs - I have it on good authority (my brother)

CrimsonCardinal

12/14/22 4:26pm

Not only that!

CallingDingo

12/14/22 4:47pm

I can confirm Utah is promising money that it doesn’t have. But it’s unclear

Mjolnir

12/14/22 4:57pm

I'd be very interested in how you know this. And I'm not saying that flippantly.

kos

12/14/22 7:40pm

I can confirm a 50k promise to a hs kid, dont know if they have that or not

Sircumference

12/14/22 5:21pm

Don’t most Yewt Alum pump gas? How do they have a big collective?

thegoodmeister

12/14/22 6:14pm

If they can’t scrounge up all the money, they will pay the performers and….

thegoodmeister

12/14/22 6:19pm

IF, and that’s a BIG IF, this is true. Utah isn’t the only one… check it out

The_Cuss

12/14/22 7:08pm

Reports like this were coming out of USC back in September

wcj99

12/15/22 8:43am

RE: Utah NILs - I have it on good authority (my brother)

Soupie

12/14/22 7:54pm

That’s multiple NCAA violations if true which I doubt is true.

Bobmarleyjr

12/14/22 9:46pm

Be between me and my brother we know everything

Dr MoBYU

12/14/22 10:04pm

Schools cannot promise NIL.

Cougarbib

12/15/22 4:30am

NCAA violations if true.

RealityCheck

12/15/22 9:26am

RE: Utah NILs - I have it on good authority (my brother)

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