The offense primary goal is to score. The defense primary goal is to stop scores

May 24, 2022
10:06:08am

Blueto Truly Addicted User

If the defense prevents the other team from scoring it did is job, just like if the offense scores it did is job. How long either of those endeavors take is really secondary.

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Blueto

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Time

CB seems to hate your D coordinator

ImaFBfan

5/23/22 8:29am

We are CB…we hate everything until it proves us wrong

silentvelcro

5/23/22 8:31am

Guilty until proven innocent.

jrifkin48

5/23/22 9:55am

79th in SP+ defense rankings. They were last in the nation in returning production in 2021

Indy Coug

5/23/22 8:31am

BYU’s offense was also bottom 10 in returning production from ‘20 to ‘21.

ldssdl

5/23/22 8:42am

Offense was better than D IN 2021. That does not make the D terrible. D was

Cougarbib

5/23/22 9:08am

Wrong. The D was horrible. Bottom 1/3 in stop rate. The only stat that counts.

Frankfromtheballpark

5/23/22 1:34pm

The cool kids don't like Tuiaki because on Madden they blitzed and sacked

Blueto

5/23/22 8:36am

I hate it, but it does make sense

conetah

5/23/22 8:44am

But it doesn’t work. More and more each year

BYU '80

5/23/22 12:06pm

The thing I worry about this is that our Defense is on the field much more than

Julius Pepperwood

5/23/22 6:11pm

Yes. BYU offense needs to sustain more long scoring drives and keep the D off

Cougarbib

5/24/22 5:10am

How bout the D does what they’re supposed to do and get themselves off the field

Frankfromtheballpark

5/24/22 8:17am

Exactly. You are catching on. It goes both ways. O needs to stay on and D needs

Cougarbib

5/24/22 9:49am

The offense’ primary goal is to score. The defense’ primary goal is to get stops

Frankfromtheballpark

5/24/22 9:55am

Offense: score. Defense: prevent score

Cougarbib

5/24/22 10:05am

The offense primary goal is to score. The defense primary goal is to stop scores

Blueto

5/24/22 10:06am

Offense: Score Points. Defense: Prevent Points. Interesting that U want to

Cougarbib

5/24/22 10:16am

BYU was 6-1 vs P5 (beat UVA, lost to Baylor) and 5-0 vs PAC 12.

mulletino

5/23/22 8:36am

CB knows our D coordinator shut down the Ute offense and won the LOS

MajorZeus

5/23/22 8:37am

Wait, so when the defense stinks, it's on the players; but they're good, it's because of the coordinator?

2FarGone

5/23/22 8:49am

Yea we did but...that was the only game all year that Tuiaki altered his

84 natlchamps

5/24/22 5:49pm

My biggest frustration are the long drives we give up. Keeps our O off the field

jigidajrit

5/23/22 8:40am

BYU's defense was on the field for 880 plays, their offense for 868. That's a difference of 0.92 plays per game.

Indy Coug

5/23/22 8:43am

That proves his point; the defense is supposed to get off the field, the offense is supposed to stay on the field

2FarGone

5/23/22 8:50am

Sorry, but if BYU is playing close to the average number of plays on offense and defense

Indy Coug

5/23/22 8:54am

BYU opponents were the 102nd "fastest" in seconds per play last year.

Indy Coug

5/23/22 9:00am

You're exposing the weakness of statistics

2FarGone

5/23/22 9:00am

BYU won a national championship running only 2.5 more plays per game than their opponents

Indy Coug

5/23/22 9:03am

You're projecting.

Blueto

5/23/22 9:05am

You fell into my trap

2FarGone

5/23/22 9:09am

Explain how a team can get the ball many more times than their opponent

Blueto

5/23/22 9:18am

Ask Tuiaki: he's banking on interceptions

2FarGone

5/23/22 9:20am

An interception doesn't change the calculus of possessions. Their offense got a

Blueto

5/23/22 9:24am

This is correct. The scheme is philosophically disadvantageous. QBs that literally can't throw have career days running

shammy

5/23/22 10:12am

Don’t confuse Tuiaki haters with stats or facts

Archaea

5/23/22 9:13am

I don't think Tuiaki is without fault — I just find some of the specific criticisms not to be particularly good

Indy Coug

5/23/22 9:15am

Of course he has faults, but not as many as the haters claim.

Archaea

5/23/22 12:43pm

For the record, I don't hate him at all and really want him to succeed

2FarGone

5/23/22 9:18am

And I really, really want you apologists to be right and for me to be wrong

2FarGone

5/23/22 9:21am

I am not an apologist but a realist as to what's possible at BYU.

Archaea

5/23/22 12:44pm

Points per game isn't a great metric.

JuicyJam

5/23/22 8:41am

Yes it is—there are other important metrics as well but

kC Cougar

5/23/22 9:22am

The scheme keeps our offense off the field and prevents our offense from putting opponents away

2FarGone

5/23/22 8:45am

I'm not really anti-Tuiaki, but the DC has to share blame for lack of depth

Coop

5/23/22 8:55am

I rarely felt confident that our D could get a stop when they absolutely had to. To be fair, the D did get necessary

thewaterboy

5/23/22 8:58am

The D gets the to use the injury excuse but the O doesn't for the end of year.

hydrocoug

5/23/22 8:59am

Valid point.

ImaFBfan

5/23/22 10:00am

I believe we had most the skill players, not sure about the Online.

hydrocoug

5/23/22 11:14am

All valid points. Even in past years the echo chamber has full-on hatred for

Cougarbib

5/23/22 9:03am

Rush 3 drop 8 is not fun for fans to watch.

boctabulous

5/23/22 9:33am

Honest question, how often does he do this on pass plays.

Zoobieman

5/23/22 11:21am

BYU rushes 3 probably 80% of the time

I'mBatman

5/23/22 12:21pm

No they don't

Blueto

5/23/22 12:24pm

BYU's defense - 107th in Sack Rate and 109th in Stuff Rate. It'd better be with only

ManicBlue

5/23/22 4:25pm

To clarify, I was primarily referring to third downs with the 80%

I'mBatman

5/24/22 10:24pm

Can you post a link?

Zoobieman

5/23/22 4:22pm

Honest answer. Too often

boctabulous

5/23/22 4:16pm

Which is?

Zoobieman

5/23/22 4:21pm

Hold on, let me go back and watch every play from every game and count. Brb

boctabulous

5/24/22 9:45am

Only part of the story.

LifeLongLakerFan

5/23/22 9:44am

So, is the scheme Tuiaki's fault or Sitake's fault?

ImaFBfan

5/23/22 9:54am

I think both. Tuiaki continues to run it, and Sitake lets him.

LifeLongLakerFan

5/23/22 10:49am

Lol, this man trying to make it seem like beating up on a farmers league is

babycarrot

5/23/22 9:48am

yeah, but I think Jaren Hall is more valuable than many fans recognize

Belboz

5/23/22 10:01am

There are tons of legit criticisms. Points per drive is not good.

Goliath

5/23/22 10:18am

Rival fan comes on to critique the board criticism, it probably validates it

stansburycoug

5/23/22 11:58am

Depends. What is your stance on self asphyxiation? Because that is just

Alan Garner

5/23/22 12:36pm

A little explanation helps to clarify the value of those stats:

84 natlchamps

5/23/22 1:42pm

Every honest fan wants to see improvement from the D - be it scheme, blitzing,

OldFogey

5/23/22 3:01pm

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