The Zags are literally an example of what you are saying doesn’t happen.

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Jan 12, 2021
1:07:40am

BYUCLA All-American

The Zags are literally an example of what you are saying doesn’t happen.

They are able to get elite players because they have access to the playoff and an elite coach was able to elevate them to a point where they can perform well in the playoff.

In football the opposite happens. A team like Boise St gets an elite coach, then rises almost to the top of College Football (multiple top 10 finishes) but they are never allowed into the playoff/BCS club, so then they fade again without sustained success or elite recruiting.

All those mid major basketball programs you mention were able to become great because the college basketball system allowed them to do so. Not the case in football.

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I keep reading that expanding the playoff will create more parity between G5/P5

Alpi Gusto

1/12/21 12:34am

Counterpoint to your first point. That’s a G5 almost every other year in the

BYUCLA

1/12/21 12:40am

I agree with you. The current system in CFB doesn’t allow for a G5 to make it

Alpi Gusto

1/12/21 12:47am

I’m not sure why there shouldn’t be any guarantees to G5’s.

BYUCLA

1/12/21 1:02am

UConn has never been a P5 and were clearly G5 last time they won

1/12/21 1:07am

RE: point 1. You just listed many mid-majors who made it to the Final 4. How

Cougar8Duck

1/12/21 12:43am

I’m not sure I’m following the top half of your post

Alpi Gusto

1/12/21 12:59am

The Zags are literally an example of what you are saying doesn’t happen.

BYUCLA

1/12/21 1:07am

So you're saying Villanova is P5? Or P6 in basketball with the Big East?

RenoCoug

1/12/21 12:59am

There is no P5 in CBB, Big east teams are not considered mid majors.

akmewg

1/12/21 1:04am

The OP said P5, not major/mid major

RenoCoug

1/12/21 1:04am

My bad, I assumed people who followed CBB would understand

Alpi Gusto

1/12/21 1:08am

Clarification to the OP doesn't change the analysis, more teams = more parity

RenoCoug

1/12/21 1:12am

As I mentioned above, UConn has never been P5

1/12/21 1:11am

I don't agree that the Big East was a "weak" basketball conference, still isn't

RenoCoug

1/12/21 1:13am

I'm not claiming it was — but it was not a "P5"

1/12/21 1:27am

Look no further than the Zags, how many weeks have they been ranked #1 in the

akmewg

1/12/21 1:02am

Didn’t that happen with Clemson?

Alpi Gusto

1/12/21 1:13am

Clemson's been an above-average team since the late 1970's, early 1980's

RenoCoug

1/12/21 1:17am

No Clemson has the be benefit of P5 money, they have built their program up but

akmewg

1/12/21 1:20am

But it is also an argument for the expanded playoff

1/12/21 1:30am

The 1 & done rule is what facilitated this possibility for Gonzaga.

RdF3

1/12/21 3:33am

How about this, since 2014 (start of the playoff) 11 teams have made the CFP, 20

akmewg

1/12/21 1:08am

For comparison Clemson and BAMA have made 6, OSU and OK 4, ND 2, in fact,

akmewg

1/12/21 1:34am

Agree with your overall point, but FSU wasn't really a Cinderella at that point.

Shinshin

1/12/21 6:37am

I was being sarcastic about the Cinderella, both those teams had been to NC game

akmewg

1/12/21 9:32am

Got it. My sarcasm meter is off. Funny thing is, though, that either one would

Shinshin

1/12/21 10:08am

You mean playing on the field or court produces different results than playing

1/12/21 4:23am

In college football there would never be a Gonzaga. Case rested.

EtTuKalante

1/12/21 4:43am

Basketball is not football. Go look at FCS.

Blue Cat

1/12/21 6:09am

Who cares about parity? It's about equity. It's about opportunity.

EtTuKalante

1/12/21 6:13am

Basketball and football are completely different sports. It’s not hard to get

westcoastcoug

1/12/21 6:35am

I'm going to wreck your parity argument, using your exact data set from 2009.

1/12/21 6:39am

Now do the final four teams

puntersarepeople

1/12/21 8:29am

Gonzaga is an undisputed power in basketball and a threat to win it all each

Ash

1/12/21 6:52am

Until CFB turns into one gigantic conference (like professional sports), the

1/12/21 7:06am

Another issue is you are arguing under the false premise that there is an effort

DJROSS

1/12/21 7:15am

Also: if it wouldn’t increase parity, why is the P5 so afraid of it?

1/12/21 7:20am

$. Easy.

Alpi Gusto

1/12/21 8:25am

You just proved my point. $$ buys coaches, facilities, etc. Coaches and

1/12/21 10:43am

All true points, but enjoyment would increase, discontent would decrease

krindorr

1/12/21 7:33am

You’re wrong about not guaranteeing at least one G5 team. Doing that will kill

puntersarepeople

1/12/21 8:26am

I was thinking today, the best way to increase parity would be for the NCAA to

Powerbait DPM

1/12/21 8:39am

Lamest post ever.

1/12/21 10:07am

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