There has to be more than that. It's a pretty deep conference.

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Arizona sports radio talked on Thursday just how bad Pac 12 basketball is.

Oranje

2/18/19 9:25am

I'm interested to find out why the PAC-12 has been struggling

Crazy Duck

2/18/19 9:27am

Their best program in football and basketball got caught cheating.

byubyu

2/18/19 9:28am

There has to be more than that. It's a pretty deep conference.

Crazy Duck

2/18/19 9:34am

Just some theories they have thrown out there the last few years:

Oranje

2/18/19 9:54am

Demographic changes

TomPetty

2/18/19 12:47pm

You could begin by looking at the really bad coaches who have been in the Pac-12

wcj99

2/18/19 9:42pm

Th south division has had the same problem in football

puntersarepeople

2/19/19 6:58am

The North Division has been more stable, but even Oregon has had a ton of

wcj99

2/19/19 7:15am

Not just the past couple years

BYU '80

2/18/19 10:29pm

I think if BYU played a Pac-12 schedule this year that we would be competing for

Dakota Cougar

2/18/19 9:28am

We might still have a shot at first honestly

puntersarepeople

2/18/19 11:50am

Here's the measuring stick for Cougar fans but don't know

Snake Dog

2/18/19 3:45pm

Considering 7 teams are currently within 2 losses and "battling for 2nd place"

James Halpert

2/18/19 4:00pm

Let me say it a different way

Snake Dog

2/18/19 6:49pm

We could absolutely be in second place in the PAC 12

puntersarepeople

2/18/19 6:58pm

Or how BYU destroyed the third place team on a neutral court

BYU '80

2/18/19 10:30pm

Or how BYU melted down against San Fran on home court.

Snake Dog

2/22/19 6:39am

USF is probably better than anyone in the pac but uw

BYU '80

2/22/19 11:39am

Come on man

Snake Dog

2/24/19 9:37pm

You’re wrong. USF is more of a bubble team than any in the PAC

puntersarepeople

2/25/19 2:20pm

Yep, it's a terrible conference. Wanna trade places?

neboutefan

2/18/19 9:29am

Nope. I'd rather stay indy or join the Big 12.

Oranje

2/18/19 9:35am

Out of the P5 conferences it's the worst

Crazy Duck

2/18/19 9:35am

Wrong, it's the PAC12 by far. However, I agree it's 10x better than B-league

blackshirts

2/18/19 1:54pm

Yes we would trade in a heartbeat

cwilke1

2/18/19 9:42am

To be a shoe-in into post season? Sure, we don't mind squashing a few cupcakes.

Division Bell

2/18/19 9:56am

Very common response from utes. That’s all you got?

BYU '80

2/18/19 10:31pm

And yet the "conference of champions" will get 3 or 4 teams into the tourney...

Coug

2/18/19 9:31am

The Pac-12 will not get 3-4 teams in the tourney this year. I think it's safe

Dakota Cougar

2/18/19 9:33am

I think they get 1 maybe 2 this year

Crazy Duck

2/18/19 9:34am

Well it can't be 1... cause the conference is guaranteed 2 spots

Coug

2/18/19 9:59am

Um, no conference has 2 auto bids. Only the conference tournament champion.

Oranje

2/18/19 10:01am

RE: Um, no conference has 2 auto bids. Only the conference tournament champion.

Dakota Cougar

2/18/19 10:03am

Touche, and awesome McBain reference.

Oranje

2/18/19 10:05am

Did you read my post?

Oranje

2/18/19 9:37am

why do people respond without reading?

Mayor of Cougartown

2/18/19 9:41am

They call themselves the “Conference of Champions” because across all sports,

garyfan

2/18/19 9:42am

These are list produce by the PAC 12 itself, and slightly suspect. They UW as

Lieutenant America

2/18/19 9:53am

So you’re disputing the fact that the P12 has far more national titles than the

garyfan

2/18/19 9:54am

yeah the olympic sports that no one cares about. YAY!!Cross country and swimming

Mayor of Cougartown

2/18/19 9:56am

Sure, but that’s a weird comment for a board that celebrates BYU’s success

garyfan

2/18/19 10:08am

Sure, but I don't see us airing commercials during football and basketball games

Oranje

2/18/19 11:19am

Just because you are fixated on those 2 sports doesn’t mean they have to be.

garyfan

2/18/19 11:36am

I would say my area of expertise is volleyball.

Oranje

2/18/19 11:49am

Particularly fans of teams who wish they could be in the conference.

garyfan

2/18/19 11:55am

I did grad school at Arizona State. I don't want us in that conference.

Oranje

2/18/19 12:06pm

So you think Indy/WCC > P12?

garyfan

2/18/19 12:16pm

For us specifically right now? Yes.

Oranje

2/18/19 1:00pm

LOL. Ok, sure.

garyfan

2/18/19 3:26pm

volleyball both men and women sell out the smith fieldhouse.

Mayor of Cougartown

2/18/19 2:02pm

I do not do that.

Mayor of Cougartown

2/18/19 2:02pm

There's actually a fairly straightforward path to 2 bids for the Pac-12. Wash is

James Halpert

2/18/19 10:08am

The Wildcat’s mediocre year is an aberration though

Croweater

2/18/19 10:48am

If Sean Miller survives then yes. But...

Oranje

2/18/19 11:22am

They haven’t even been sanctioned for that scandal yet

BYU '80

2/18/19 10:33pm

Less so than it once was. This will be the 3rd time since 2010 that Arizona

Gentleman Stan

2/20/19 12:58am

I just dont see the a big $ conference only getting in 1 team - hope to be wrong

BYUfan92

2/18/19 11:46am

I have a theory on why the conference is so bad, in case you are wondering...

lilpenny

2/18/19 1:06pm

BYU has some market share? Other than that lame comment I agree with you

BYU '80

2/18/19 10:34pm

And yet the WCC is rated below the P12 last I saw. Probably due to bottom teams

Bob Vance

2/18/19 1:56pm

The WCC and Pac-12 each have one sub 250 team (Cal and Portland). The WCC has

Gentleman Stan

2/18/19 2:10pm

Okay and the pac 12 has 10 teams in the top 115. The WCC only has 5.

RdF3

2/18/19 4:32pm

Right. The WCC is much stronger at the top. The WCC has 30% of its teams in the

Gentleman Stan

2/18/19 6:58pm

I’ll bet a JCWs meal they get 2 in. All because they are the

StalwartBraveTrue

2/18/19 9:30pm

"Conference of Champions." I can't even listen to Bill Walton during a Pac 12

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