it means Whit was trying to save face and let BJ keep his title but was always

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Feb 9, 2013
4:33:21pm

pappabear246

it means Whit was trying to save face and let BJ keep his title but was always

willing to give the OC position to RA if needed. The fact that he agreed to exclusive oc and responsibilities says he offered him the OC job, thus giving Anae another OC offer

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The Utah-Anae story...

shoganai

2/9/13 9:32am

Thanks. Interesting information.

CG4BYU

2/9/13 9:40am

The fact that Anae didn't receive a single straightup OC offer other

oxcoug

2/9/13 11:19am

I think you and I read different story than me. I read that Utah offered

pappabear246

2/9/13 1:26pm

Per Shog's account Anae initially received a co/assistant OC

oxcoug

2/9/13 1:57pm

it means Whit was trying to save face and let BJ keep his title but was always

pappabear246

2/9/13 4:33pm

And yet: It was not an unconditional OC offer. Whitt had to be

oxcoug

2/10/13 9:48am

The way I read it, it seems to me that the full offer was after he

pappabear246

2/10/13 1:50pm

This also speaks volumes about what Anae thinks BYU can do. If he didn't believ

TXSmith

2/9/13 9:46am

I think most of it is loyalty to BYU.

idacoug

2/9/13 9:51am

If Anae has total control of his staff, does Cahoon have any chance at rehiring?

2/9/13 9:47am

I guess you'll find out in the next two weeks

SausageKingOfChicago

2/9/13 10:11am

Did Ben cahoots even reapply?

mike2744

2/9/13 11:16am

I'm referring to his curiosity to know who Anae thinks are better coaches

SausageKingOfChicago

2/9/13 12:00pm

What did Cahoon accomplish that was so impressive? I didn't see much to be imp-

coastcat

2/9/13 3:58pm

The entire offensive staff needed to go, no question.

kabslc

2/9/13 4:16pm

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kabslc

2/9/13 4:17pm

I must have missed where or when Doman proved he was a good coach

kabslc

2/9/13 10:13am

I didn't say he was good, but I'm curious to see who Anae thinks would be better

2/9/13 10:20am

Yes, good points. Anae's comments about running the QB does change

kabslc

2/9/13 10:26am

Nobody has ever even mentioned the thought of Jim McMahon as QB coach

pappabear246

2/9/13 1:31pm

Ha! I'd be all for it!

kabslc

2/9/13 2:43pm

Unfortunately for Jimmy Mac, he'd forget what to coach or that there is an HC.

coastcat

2/9/13 4:02pm

Which is why BYU needs to do the right, classy thing and retire his

kabslc

2/9/13 4:14pm

TH would do it if allowed. I agree, good will and ultimate recognition

coastcat

2/9/13 4:44pm

RE: Which is why BYU needs to do the right, classy thing and retire his

85fan

2/9/13 5:28pm

I think BYU has been giving JimmyMac more love the last couple of years

pappabear246

2/10/13 1:51pm

I hope so!

kabslc

2/11/13 8:51am

I hope so!

kabslc

2/11/13 8:52am

I said what I said in jest but do bet Jimmy would have made a great coach

pappabear246

2/11/13 12:16pm

A relative of Cahoon said there is a slim chance he could be rehired

HuskerCoug

2/9/13 4:47pm

Can you blame Whitt tho?

Ashtrash

2/9/13 9:47am

Whit hiring BJ as an OC was just plain stupid imo

idacoug

2/9/13 9:47am

I don't know why he's so intent on finding a mentor for BJ.

cougarstolz

2/9/13 10:20am

A couple thoughts

DapperDan

2/9/13 9:52am

The SHO Taurus is pretty nice, though.

Steve O'Rama

2/9/13 10:04am

coming to the train-wreck that is utah isn't going to help erickson's resume...

ds7

2/9/13 10:08am

desperation and ego can do funny things

DapperDan

2/9/13 10:10am

He is also 65 and may be looking to secure his 401k

PrisonMike

2/9/13 10:11am

great conclusions

Blue2thebone

2/9/13 10:06am

And yet we still keep losing to them

AudiS4

2/9/13 10:07am

there were a few years there where air force kept beating notre dame...

ds7

2/9/13 10:09am

Perhaps the anomaly was the Edwards era?

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 10:40am

The anomaly is the fact Utah can only get up for one game a year.

CG4BYU

2/9/13 10:48am

Slow down there, fella.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 10:54am

Except for the fact that, outside of that game, BYU has continued to be a

2/9/13 12:38pm

Yeah, BYU has done a ton this past decade...

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 1:08pm

You have a short memory, we played the same teams until 2 years ago

CG4BYU

2/9/13 1:15pm

Ummm...2 undefeated seasons in the past decade?

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 1:18pm

I gave you credit for 2 good out of 30, and actually it was about Anae turning

CG4BYU

2/9/13 1:40pm

Lol. Since LaVell retired, BYU has had 6 ranked finishes, which

2/9/13 1:41pm

He doesnt

CG4BYU

2/9/13 1:48pm

Oh man, you owned me! I'm raging with jealousy.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 3:00pm

If it is so easy, why didn't Utah accomplish it more often?

messi

2/9/13 3:44pm

First, we are talking about the last decade...

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:16pm

Right. And the last decade includes

2/9/13 5:23pm

Again, if you wanna cling to your 10 win seasons, go ahead.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:27pm

See we have a NC to hug and hold too. You have the PAC 10.2 banner

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:36pm

How do you hug your national championship?

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:38pm

Simple, its a trophy in a case. I know its hard for yewt fans to invision one.

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:47pm

So go and hug the case? Creepy.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:49pm

No creepier then your guys love for pac 10 stickers and pirate ships

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:52pm

No, hugging the case is creepier.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:53pm

Well i guess to little brother cuddling his PAC 10 blanky is kind of innocent

CG4BYU

2/9/13 6:06pm

Cuddling a blanket is appropriate.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 6:10pm

Only those without one would say that ;)

CG4BYU

2/9/13 6:32pm

Again, if you want to cling to a couple

2/9/13 5:40pm

I disagree. College football fans read the rankings every week.

messi

2/9/13 5:25pm

Nobody remembers if a team finishes 20th with a Veg Bowl win.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:28pm

As opposed to a non ranked, losing conference record, no body?

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:38pm

I never claimed that a losing season in the P12 meant anything.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:39pm

You said you have the comfort of a undefeated season, so what..Ohio did

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:44pm

I hope you enjoyed '84. It's probably the last you'll see of them

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:47pm

Still one more then you. So I will. Thanks

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:49pm

I was being serious. I hope you enjoyed it.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:52pm

Not what I said. They recognize teams that are consistently

messi

2/9/13 5:40pm

It says nothing.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:41pm

Actually it does say something, when recruits talk about 10 win seasons

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:50pm

Link? Recruits want to go to the NFL, play in big bowl games, and play against

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:55pm

Funny, we go bowling, send players to NFL, and play big names

CG4BYU

2/9/13 6:11pm

To you it doesn't because it doesn't fit into your

messi

2/9/13 6:14pm

Are you hitting on me?

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 6:47pm

With all the practice you have with spending

messi

2/9/13 6:53pm

You just seem really concerned with how much time I spend on here.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 7:18pm

Not concerned. I just don't understand it.

messi

2/9/13 7:39pm

So do you need me to point out to you the irony of your post?

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 7:55pm

You would have a point if I had that many posts

messi

2/9/13 8:24pm

Haha..."no friend" smack?

VirginiaUte

2/10/13 8:42am

I haven't read the last 20 posts messi, but

2/11/13 10:25pm

I know. I've learned my lesson with him, and

messi

2/11/13 10:29pm

You guys are still carrying on in this thread?

VirginiaUte

2/12/13 6:17am

Whitt is feeling the heat

Rise Against

2/9/13 10:07am

No he's not!

Crazy Cajun

2/9/13 10:22am

Ah, the old "injuries" excuse

Rise Against

2/9/13 10:30am

Very Crowton-esque. I love it.

BluePete

2/11/13 8:53am

Wow..what a complete 5 year old reaponse.

CG4BYU

2/9/13 10:36am

3 or 4 years?

TLCougar

2/9/13 10:37am

Depends on what your definition of "south" is.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 10:48am

I would assume that

TLCougar

2/9/13 11:37am

8-4 or 7-5 is a real possibility? Wow.

AFwingnut

2/9/13 2:42pm

What's with the whole BJ thing?

SausageKingOfChicago

2/9/13 10:10am

One point of disagreement not related to the main point

donnerstag

2/9/13 10:11am

man, Whitt is really enamored with BJ. Bringing in mentors and such.

Crush4

2/9/13 10:13am

That is what Chow was for too

PrisonMike

2/9/13 10:16am

BJ is a recruiting tool for Whitt, he'll keep him around as long as possible.

kabslc

2/9/13 10:55am

Utezone editor - an EXCELLENT SOURCE says otherwise

ALUF 1990

2/9/13 10:15am

Yeah, cause everybody wants to admit that a guy turned them down for their

ForzaCougs

2/9/13 10:21am

That is not it. You don't get things right over and over by covering things

ALUF 1990

2/9/13 10:30am

I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about the people who got turned down.

ForzaCougs

2/9/13 10:48am

Exactly.

BYUheaven

2/9/13 11:24am

Correct, the ones

LDTemplar

2/9/13 3:35pm

Or are people in the Utah program simply more careful about the information

kabslc

2/9/13 10:22am

Someone who works for something called "utezone" is of course going

kabslc

2/9/13 10:29am

Wrong. See my post 3 spots up. Does anyone think Harmon tells both

ALUF 1990

2/9/13 10:31am

Ah....very good post. I certainly don't think Harmon sees it both ways.

kabslc

2/9/13 10:36am

Your above posts mean nothing

LDTemplar

2/9/13 3:37pm

Bronco Mendenhall - an EXCELLENT source - agrees with me.

shoganai

2/9/13 10:30am

Bronco personally told you that Whit was going to throw BJ under the bus?

ALUF 1990

2/9/13 10:37am

You have the guy offered, his HC, and now this info and you still cant see

CG4BYU

2/9/13 10:43am

Some people on this board have contact with Anae

2/9/13 10:59am

Plausible deniability

kccougar

2/9/13 11:04am

I know EXACTLY who his sources are

RockyBalboa

2/9/13 1:14pm

The one thing that can't be refuted......BJ is not ready as an OC

Bonoman

2/9/13 3:59pm

Thanks Shog. It's always interesting to read your stuff.

P-Widdy

2/9/13 10:19am

Maybe Kwitt should hire Doman?

cougarbouy

2/9/13 10:20am

As a recruiter...that would be awesome. Doman is excellent at

ALUF 1990

2/9/13 10:34am

That is if Scalley wouldn't refer to Doman as a ##### that he's hated since he

kabslc

2/9/13 10:40am

Not if they know much about Scalley

LDTemplar

2/9/13 3:31pm

Funny to hear that he had like 6 offers when people were often saying

binghammer

2/9/13 10:33am

I'm counting one OC offer other than BYU. The rest were non-OC offers

DapperDan

2/9/13 10:36am

He didn't have other offers period

donnerstag

2/9/13 11:00am

It looks like these sources are probably the same as your BYU to the B12 sources

Scratch

2/9/13 10:51am

See Anae and Bronco's interview that backs it up.

CG4BYU

2/9/13 11:13am

Your last sentence is the most important. He wants some qualified w/o an ego

BDAWG

2/9/13 11:01am

I'm amused that the Cougar Nation is taking such satisfaction in unfounded...

HSprauge

2/9/13 11:08am

And you still little brother for commenting.

CG4BYU

2/9/13 11:15am

Sentence structure. I had to read your post

messi

2/9/13 11:19am

Nice... When losing the point messi changes the subject to sentence structure.

HSprauge

2/9/13 11:22am

Losing what point? I posted because I was

messi

2/9/13 11:41am

So you see no disconnect when Cougar Nation gleefully celebrates...

HSprauge

2/9/13 11:54am

There probably is a disconnect. That happened almost

messi

2/9/13 12:04pm

The BYU administration liked Whit... in fact they liked him better than Bronco.

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:08pm

A decade ago they did. They wouldn't take

messi

2/9/13 12:16pm

So in his supreme self assurance Bronco has to bolster himself with...

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:30pm

He was just giving it back for the Roderick

messi

2/9/13 12:57pm

Oh, so now Bronco isn't capable of making his own hires so Tom H. steps in?

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:32pm

Sorry... wrong tread.

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:34pm

And speaking of unqualified and over his head... BYU has hired a RB coach...

HSprauge

2/9/13 11:13am

We should have hired an ambulance chasing attorney

PrisonMike

2/9/13 11:15am

Just pointing out that "unqualified and over his head" cuts both ways...

HSprauge

2/9/13 11:19am

Atuaia helped Anae during his last stint at BYU. And another point, guys who

kabslc

2/9/13 11:27am

Having 2 first year coaches on the same offensive staff with no D1 exeriencece..

HSprauge

2/9/13 11:48am

I'll go out on a limb and say that Robert Anae knows how to choose qualified

kabslc

2/9/13 11:54am

That remains to be seen... what we do know is that Bronco has a poor record...

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:03pm

Indeed, which is why I think they'll do better this time around.

kabslc

2/9/13 12:05pm

Bronco hired Anae... Did his hiring judgement improve from when he promoted...

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:24pm

Maybe, maybe not. That's why Tom Holmoe stepped in.

kabslc

2/9/13 12:26pm

Oh, so now Bronco isn't capable of making his own hires so Tom H. steps in?

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:35pm

Yes, I do believe that is how things unfolded.

kabslc

2/9/13 12:41pm

Seems to be a hallmark of disfunction when the head of a program...

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:52pm

I think Holmoe actually helped stop the dysfunction. The greater

kabslc

2/9/13 12:59pm

Right... new offensive scheme, inexprienced

HSprauge

2/9/13 1:19pm

(cont.) QB coming off knee surgery, 2-4 offensive coaches who have never...

HSprauge

2/9/13 1:23pm

I think you're wrong. There is more than one QB on the roster,

kabslc

2/9/13 2:34pm

BYUs best option at QB is an injured sophomore with 2 starts under his belt...

HSprauge

2/9/13 6:56pm

I'll take this option at QB over Jordan Wynn's little sister.

Jonce17

2/10/13 9:42pm

Interesting situation...

bigjohn

2/9/13 1:37pm

Without a resume of D1 experience 2J and Atuia are risky hires at best.

HSprauge

2/9/13 7:04pm

When one cannot win the argument, one has to change the argument

DazeofBlue

2/9/13 2:10pm

Not changing the arguement at all. Shoganai brought up the inexperienced...

HSprauge

2/9/13 7:00pm

Agree about Atuaia, but 2J inexperienced?? Come on. I think moving from head

doups3

2/9/13 2:47pm

Is college of the canyons FCS?

kabslc

2/9/13 3:07pm

I assumed so, but maybe it's a step further down. Either way, dude has

doups3

2/9/13 3:22pm

I think it is another step down. I think he is an awesome hire for BYU.

kabslc

2/9/13 3:36pm

D1 and BCS is a long way from college of the canyons competition.

HSprauge

2/9/13 7:01pm

Weird how inexperience doesnt matter in this sport

Y4LYFE

2/9/13 2:39pm

Experience does matter... there are just no other options for BYU.

HSprauge

2/9/13 7:06pm

Why is BYU so obsessed with proving they beat Utah at something.

jt04

2/9/13 3:57pm

It's called a rivalry lol. And the "obsession" really started at

kabslc

2/9/13 4:12pm

So, when Utah started winning again.

jt04

2/9/13 4:13pm

Yep. He made beating BYU priority #1. It worked.

kabslc

2/9/13 4:19pm

Calling him "Doctor" is lame. Ute fans do that with their AD. It's lame.

haroldskilley

2/9/13 4:28pm

I agree. When someone works outside the field of their doctoral study,it is

kabslc

2/9/13 4:38pm

IIRC, Anae's doctoral dissertation was on wide-gap OL formations.

BluePete

2/9/13 8:04pm

Well excuse me. I did not know that sociologists studied offensive line

kabslc

2/11/13 8:54am

RE: The Utah-Anae story...

dunc4BYU

2/9/13 5:12pm

Thanks Shoganai- I always

2/9/13 9:39pm

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