But it were to put both those schools further behind the SEC, B1G and old-money ACC schools?

And I'm absolutely not saying that is the case. Just that if we're ONLY measuring ourselves against Utah, then something like that is considered a win. But I prefer measuring ourselves on the national level, so something that hurts Utah more than us isn't necessarily a good thing if it still hurts us

And make no mistake, NIL has hurt us - just look at the Alai Kalaniuvalu flip after we weren't able to come to terms on numbers with him