Fades are one of the worst plays in all of football especially with Jake.

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Nov 20, 2024
7:47:17am

ochobeeguy Truly Addicted User

He's great for a lot of things but throwing touch passes is probably his biggest weakness.

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ochobeeguy

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Gross - sorry if already been circulated here.

Gunga Galunga

Nov 19, 7:46am

He’s gotta be hurt

KYU

Nov 19, 7:46am

He’s hurt so we don’t give him redzone touches? And injured players can play

Ron Mexico

Nov 19, 8:06am

Ok, bummer. Put in Moa who’s been an absolute beast. Or Ropati for that matter

bornbyu93

Nov 19, 9:36am

That’s what I would do

KYU

Nov 19, 9:54pm

I've been saying that since UCF. Seems like he's on a pitch count

MaximusMeridius

Nov 19, 11:25am

It's what the defense was giving them. Just gotta go with it. The defense has only given the offense 3 opportunities

foofcoug

Nov 19, 7:49am

RE: It's what the defense was giving them. Just gotta go with it. The defense

BYUfannonLDS

Nov 19, 7:58am

I’ve noticed this, it’s crazy. He’ll play between the 20s and get pulled

palangi

Nov 19, 7:51am

He was in on a read option play and would have walked into the end zone if

stansburycoug

Nov 19, 10:07am

We just need to watch the film, love one another, etc

byuTX

Nov 19, 7:52am

Oh, and a quick timeout

byuTX

Nov 19, 8:17am

How many total plays inside the 10 did we run the last two games?

shoganai

Nov 19, 7:52am

That's what I don't know but I can think of one game altering situation vs KU

Gunga Galunga

Nov 19, 7:53am

Sample size is pretty important.

shoganai

Nov 19, 7:54am

Throwing a fade on 1st & goal from the 5 for an INT does limit the amount of potential plays.

foofcoug

Nov 19, 8:12am

Throwing an interception does. The route, itself, isn't really material.

shoganai

Nov 19, 8:18am

The fact that an INT was thrown on the same route for a 2 point conversion the previous week means that it should not

foofcoug

Nov 19, 8:22am

"This play failed last time, so we should never run it again," doesn't seem like

shoganai

Nov 19, 8:28am

"I've seen this QB play for 2 years now and I know he struggles mightily with touch passes and hasn't gotten better...

foofcoug

Nov 19, 8:38am

Retzlaff or ARod:

byuTX

Nov 19, 8:44am

I think you're pretty much just making stuff up now.

shoganai

Nov 19, 8:45am

Retzlaff's 2 known struggles - accuracy and touch passes. If it's not something that needs to be burned in there or

foofcoug

Nov 19, 8:52am

I just think you're exaggerating and using a lot of hyperbole to jump to a

shoganai

Nov 19, 9:01am

You're right, they shouldn't all be removed

stansburycoug

Nov 19, 10:10am

It's really one of the worst options available.

ochobeeguy

Nov 20, 7:55am

Retzlaff hit Keanu Hill on that same play against SMU. I don’t recall you being outraged so maybe you missed that game.

Conan

Nov 19, 10:59am

So he does it one time in a season and we are supposed to be thinking it is the

imdocrob

Nov 19, 11:05am

Uh, yes. The matchup was there and the play has been successful in the past. Jake has shown that he can make that

Conan

Nov 19, 11:23am

Ok by your standards...he has made that throw one time for a TD against

imdocrob

Nov 19, 11:45am

Yes, I'm in favor of running successful plays until they aren't successful anymore.

Conan

Nov 19, 12:22pm

A one time success does not equate to being successful...but yeah if we ran the

imdocrob

Nov 19, 12:33pm

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NYC and Japan

Nov 19, 1:21pm

You're logic also follows, just because the play failed against Utah, it isn't

NYC and Japan

Nov 19, 1:26pm

I understand what you are saying but I think given the situation we were

imdocrob

Nov 19, 2:56pm

I don't think the call was the issue (although i would have preferred we ran it on that down). The execution was poor.

BYUgoslav

Nov 19, 12:24pm

Another reason why you don't call that play...you are going against a 4 year

imdocrob

Nov 19, 12:34pm

They seemed to be running the ball so well on that drive, I would have liked to

BYUfannonLDS

Nov 19, 8:20am

A different decision by the QB results in a TD. For an offense to be successful

shoganai

Nov 19, 8:36am

It is also true of literally all pro, P4, G5, FCS, High school... QB and any

NYC and Japan

Nov 19, 1:29pm

Three possessions worth on Saturday

BYU '80

Nov 19, 9:01am

Looking at the play by play again, more than I remembered. Hinckley has been

JuicyJam

Nov 19, 9:09am

Probably a combo of factors.

shoganai

Nov 19, 9:19am

I love Ropati but he is not as good as LJ. From the small sample size I’ve

Coug98

Nov 19, 11:58am

I can think of at least 5 crap plays that should have been LJ instead for 2 tds

ochobeeguy

Nov 20, 7:43am

ARod absolutely loses his mind in the redzone.

maxpowers

Nov 19, 8:31am

Until the 2nd half of the UCF game BYU was one of the top teams in the country

NYC and Japan

Nov 19, 1:33pm

That's 5 halves in a row where they have been horrible in the red zone.

ochobeeguy

Nov 20, 7:45am

AMEN! Been screaming this since the last two games. Makes no sense. LJ is

Cougs2012

Nov 19, 9:27am

And if it’s not LJ, put in Moa

TwinsRight

Nov 19, 9:32am

Yes, why does Moa only get 1 carry, which he turned into a tough 12 yard gain,

robin

Nov 19, 10:22am

That’s part of what made me so mad. Run it if you don’t get in you get a field goal before

NonmormonYfan89

Nov 19, 9:34am

I’m more in favor of Moa inside the 10yd line

MHOP

Nov 19, 9:53am

He’s been back for two games and gotten 2 carries both for over 10 yds a carry

Cougz19

Nov 19, 11:08am

Patterns of Arod's idiocy. He needs to go, should have been gone years ago.

CObluezone

Nov 19, 10:19am

How about Moa...every time that guy touches the ball he runs over guys...runs

imdocrob

Nov 19, 10:46am

Wow! Just wow! Can't blame Jake when Arod doesn't know the best call to make.

Coug Dude

Nov 19, 11:07am

I would hope we aren't blaming Jake for that play...it should have never been

imdocrob

Nov 19, 11:47am

Fades are great inside the 10, if executed correctly. The TE was open, but the

morningcalmcougar

Nov 19, 1:31pm

Again I say why throw it to the short side of the field...throw it to the far

imdocrob

Nov 19, 2:58pm

Agree, that is why I made that the last sentence in my post. It is a good play

morningcalmcougar

Nov 19, 3:12pm

By poorly executed I hope that means that you think they should have gone

imdocrob

Nov 19, 3:18pm

Yep, we’re in n the same page. Maybe poorly designed is more accurate to say

morningcalmcougar

Nov 19, 8:07pm

Fades are one of the worst plays in all of football especially with Jake.

ochobeeguy

Nov 20, 7:47am

Not being able to throw it well doesn't make the fade a bad play, just not one

morningcalmcougar

Nov 20, 8:47am

They are bad plays in general though. Only 5 successful fades in 2019 NFL.

ochobeeguy

Nov 20, 1:33pm

Surprising and interesting read, thanks for sharing

morningcalmcougar

Nov 20, 5:17pm

I was at the UCF game and noticed in crunch time when the offense was trying to

Coug98

Nov 19, 11:27am

Hinkley and LJ are almost identical in YPC. 5.5 vs. 5.6 this season

NYC and Japan

Nov 19, 1:38pm

But it’s not coaching

2FarGone

Nov 19, 11:50am

We need to clean up his execution.

md7Coug

Nov 19, 2:16pm

There is a good explanation for this

indocoug

Nov 19, 5:28pm

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