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gmj81
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Hall is the best BYU QB since Detmer.
macdizzle
9/27/22 10:12am
Now that it seems he has mastered the deep ball, I could agree.
SausageKing
9/27/22 10:15am
His deep ball has been a thing of beauty. Am I remembering correctly that Zach's
diluigifan
9/27/22 10:49am
He's 36th in passing efficiency. Stop it.
HairyCougar
9/27/22 2:11pm
Wait - I thought the coaches last year were having him throw it short on purpose
crack
9/27/22 2:45pm
Not a large enough sample yet to make such a declaration.
Acorn
9/27/22 10:16am
I hear you. I'm not saying he's had the best career of any QB in the last 30
macdizzle
9/27/22 10:17am
Last 30 days you mean?
HairyCougar
9/27/22 2:11pm
Agreed
FatherOFive
9/27/22 4:14pm
Wow. That's a bold statement.
Ham
9/27/22 10:18am
He is fantastic. The two QB years that rival this year's version of Jaren are
diluigifan
9/27/22 10:19am
Sark's 96 year too. But it's probably those 4 stretches that are the best.
macdizzle
9/27/22 10:21am
Yes. You are correct.
diluigifan
9/27/22 10:36am
If John Beck had this receiving core.. that would have Been incredible
Julius Pepperwood
9/27/22 10:43am
True. Our receiving core is fantastic right now.
diluigifan
9/27/22 10:47am
Todd Watkins?
kooogar
9/27/22 1:41pm
2005 not 2006
gmj81
9/27/22 2:30pm
Dropkins?
Poncho punch
9/27/22 2:43pm
He very well could be, but I'll wait until he is completely done at BYU before
Schrodizzy
9/27/22 10:20am
i still don't have the confidence in him that I had with Wilson, Max, Beck (Sr. yr) or Sark. By the end of the year
lightmann
9/27/22 10:30am
Jaren plays so well against tough, P5 teams.
diluigifan
9/27/22 10:44am
This is a good point…I never felt confident with Zach in Big games, tbh
Back2Blue
9/27/22 12:24pm
Hall was good but I never really thought he was on the level of '96 Sark or '06 Beck. He had a better career though
Non-mo Coug
9/27/22 10:50am
He was better in some games than others, but he never had "bad" games. He played with confidence all of the time.
lightmann
9/27/22 12:19pm
Which Hall are you talking about? Max had a horrible Utah game.
CougaRR4L
9/27/22 12:27pm
In 2008, but made the big plays to win in 2007 and 2009
Polemic
9/27/22 12:36pm
Loved him and he was fantastic but "never" had bad games is not true.
CougaRR4L
9/27/22 12:44pm
Change "never" to "rarely."
lightmann
9/27/22 3:25pm
I’ve heard some complain that he doesn’t read the RPO well
Spocougar
9/27/22 10:31am
I agree. He hasn’t made the right reads in the RPO this year for whatever reason. AROD has said as much.
OMIllionaire
9/27/22 12:42pm
Pitches? Do you mean from the speed option or RPO? RPO usually involves a hand off or a pull back to a pass.
JohnnyComeLately
9/27/22 12:45pm
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chilawcoug
9/27/22 12:54pm
The illegal receiver down field call in the WY game would be an example.
BYUHgrad
9/27/22 6:12pm
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chilawcoug
9/27/22 6:16pm
I'd rank him behind Romney but ahead of Wilson
ryebrye
9/27/22 10:32am
Love Jaren, but that's disrespectful.
Lifer
9/27/22 10:44am
He's definitely a great game manager. Don't jump on me for using that term.
mudpupper
9/27/22 10:56am
Wilson seemed faster in 2020 than Jaren is now
arizonacougarfan
9/27/22 4:27pm
IMO WIlson and Beck were two best. Hall has a chance to be as good or better
JoeExotic
9/27/22 11:00am
I’m realizing it is so hard to compare QBs and RBs at BYU across generations
D.T. Survivor
9/27/22 11:00am
Luke Staley Junior year. Best RB season in BYU history. Electric any time he
diluigifan
9/27/22 11:07am
Agreed. Who is the most talented running back? That one I struggle to answer.
D.T. Survivor
9/27/22 11:08am
RE: Agreed. Who is the most talented running back? That one I struggle to
diluigifan
9/27/22 11:12am
Most electric, I agree. Best season by a BYU RB? I will Tyler from last year.
dfudge
9/27/22 4:36pm
We will agree to disagree here. Doak Walker winning season. 8 yds per carry.
diluigifan
9/27/22 9:57pm
Not enough info. Right now, Beck, Wilson, Sark, Doman would all have my trust
Gorum the Old
9/27/22 11:04am
Doman? Are you kidding me? He was one of our worst.
fruitless
9/27/22 11:08am
14-2 as a starter including 2-0 vs Utah. Put up great numbers and was even
Polemic
9/27/22 12:29pm
RE: 14-2 as a starter including 2-0 vs Utah. Put up great numbers and was even
fruitless
9/27/22 2:19pm
Utah was bad in 2001? Didn't they beat USC In the LV Bowl?
HairyCougar
9/27/22 2:51pm
You 15, kid?
HairyCougar
9/27/22 2:12pm
He still has a lot to prove in my book . . . jury is very much out
fruitless
9/27/22 11:07am
Hall has been so awesome - I don't know if he is the best since Detmer but he
richvan
9/27/22 11:32am
I wouldnt compare Hall to Detmer, I think he is a better, more athletic version of Senior Year John Beck.
JohnnyComeLately
9/27/22 11:53am
Agreed. Hopefully we as fans can appreciate what we're witnessing Jaren do
Rise Against
9/27/22 12:01pm
He’s more athletic. He’s not a better passer.
mvtoro
9/27/22 12:09pm
He is not far off actually. Career wise Beck has a 141.3 passer rating, Hall has a 158.7. Beck's Senior Year was 169.1
JohnnyComeLately
9/27/22 12:21pm
All true. Again, I’m not trying to diminish Hall, and the stats show he’s doing great things. There’s nothing wrong with
mvtoro
9/27/22 1:14pm
That's debatable. Jaren has been completing 71.5% of his passes this year and
Rise Against
9/27/22 12:22pm
Of course it’s debatable. We’re here debating it. I’m not saying Jaren isn’t great or even that his stats aren’t better.
mvtoro
9/27/22 12:50pm
Ah yes, the ole eye test.
JohnnyComeLately
9/27/22 12:57pm
I mean, you can make fun of it, but literally anyone who evaluates players professionally can see the difference between
mvtoro
9/27/22 1:24pm
Sound good, bro. No one is saying they are the same. In case you missed the OP he was comparing Hall to Detmer.
JohnnyComeLately
9/27/22 4:00pm
I didn’t make an appeal to authority. I just explained where I’ve watched them and specifically said you *don’t* have
mvtoro
9/27/22 5:08pm
I would bet that Jaren Hall gets drafted similar to where Beck was drafted, but that he will have a better career.
JohnnyComeLately
9/27/22 6:25pm
Bro, you keep adding bonus arguments that I haven’t touched. “Better passer”. I already said Hall is more athletic. And
mvtoro
9/27/22 6:44pm
It is debatable, or at least comparable. Statistically he has a better completion percentage, fewer interceptions.
JohnnyComeLately
9/27/22 6:48pm
Beck's QB rating was 169 his senior year. 2nd in the nation.
HairyCougar
9/27/22 6:53pm
RE: Beck's QB rating was 169 his senior year. 2nd in the nation.
JohnnyComeLately
9/27/22 6:58pm
We are discussing Beck's senior year.
HairyCougar
9/27/22 7:21pm
Look, I already gave my stats to show who Hall most resembled. How about you tell me who you think he is most like and
JohnnyComeLately
9/28/22 7:33am
Beck was 2nd in the country in passer rating his senior year.
HairyCougar
9/28/22 1:38pm
Board name checks out
fredetteaboutit13
9/27/22 2:22pm
Yeah, ironically I played all through highschool with JB in Mesa, but moved to Spanish Fork where I got to see Hall in
mvtoro
9/27/22 3:23pm
He's not better than John Beck's senior year yet
HairyCougar
9/27/22 2:13pm
We… agree…?
mvtoro
9/27/22 3:23pm
McMahon is still by far the best college QB I have ever seen play
mkscougar
9/27/22 12:36pm
Wish I could have had that privilege. I’m Walsh on.
D.T. Survivor
9/27/22 12:51pm
Yep. Young, Sark, Detmer, Hall, Hall were all excellent. Mac and Beck were best
SouthernCoug
9/27/22 2:14pm
Steve Young as a senior was among the best.
lightmann
9/27/22 3:31pm
He was, but in my 40 years of following BYU, McMahon was #1 and Beck #2 imo
SouthernCoug
9/27/22 3:46pm
Such a microcosm of CB...an unsolicited overreaction.
Elvis
9/27/22 1:00pm
Detmer threw a lot of picks, but it didn’t take
Hyrum in Houston
9/27/22 1:16pm
Wilson was better
Blue2thebone
9/27/22 1:27pm
Way back in 2021 we had a better QB
Hill4Heisman
9/27/22 1:35pm
Hall might be the best at making the safest place, but that’s different
Ned Schneebly
9/27/22 1:42pm
I'm more confident in Hall taking care of the ball than any past QB.
CougarBreath
9/27/22 1:54pm
WHAT?? Hall is 36th in the nation in passing effiency
HairyCougar
9/27/22 2:10pm
Still a little early for that.
BleedCougarBlue2
9/27/22 2:14pm
Wilson was the #2 pick in the NFL draft.
ThatBYUFan
9/27/22 2:16pm
Steve Young would have been #1, but he went USFL, so your point is correct
TheRowdy
9/27/22 2:17pm
Still think Wilson had better field vision and release but he’s dang good for sure!
NonmormonYfan89
9/27/22 4:21pm
Jaren is the best leader I would say
arizonacougarfan
9/27/22 4:29pm
He’s certainly my favorite
YIsForBrigham
9/27/22 4:51pm
I don’t know
provofan
9/27/22 5:00pm
RE: Hall is the best BYU QB since Detmer.
ninja math
9/27/22 5:39pm
He’s been very good but Sark was incredible and gets overlooked IMO
USMCdad
9/27/22 6:58pm
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