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Dec 22, 2020
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I'm Dynamite
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I do think sports programming is becoming more lucrative in general.
The AAC deal is bigger because it goes very very very long. It's perhaps the only remaining growth market for live TV and the commercials that go with it.
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BYU TV Deal With ESPN vs AAC - Hint, not about money
runningryan
Starter
12/22/20 11:48am
I'd guess what BYU gets is higher than the average for the AAC.
Turnpike Lane
12/22/20 11:49am
Doubt it.
runningryan
12/22/20 11:54am
Now take the new schedules for home games v. the old into consideration. That is what ESPN is paying for.
Turnpike Lane
12/22/20 11:55am
Yup. Getting 7 P5s, many out of conference, is a big benefit to ESPN.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 11:58am
Think the big issue is that they're almost all road games
krindorr
12/22/20 2:47pm
Travel is hard. This has been sitake's strength so far though.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 2:54pm
100%; BYU has actually played better on the road
krindorr
12/22/20 3:02pm
Quite a bit more.
BornNotBuilt
12/22/20 11:56am
But where are you getting that figure?
runningryan
12/22/20 12:13pm
Data with Links - $4.32M for BYU from broadcast revenue/rights
krindorr
12/22/20 1:03pm
This is from the Daily Herald:
Junior Deputy
12/22/20 12:17pm
How dare you post something from a news outlet using credible estimates and analysis compared to
runningryan
12/22/20 12:25pm
I'm not saying exposure is a bad thing but I think BYU fans overvalue "exposure"
pinolero
12/22/20 11:54am
The exposure is for BYU and the Church not for BYU fans.
BornNotBuilt
12/22/20 11:57am
No - it's definitely for fans too (as well as recruits.)
Eddie
12/22/20 12:16pm
EXPOSURE is for BYU and the Church; ACCESS is for the fans
Doogal McCougar
12/22/20 12:46pm
And exposure is for the recruits and players, too.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:47pm
BYU fans value exposure b/c that's what BOT/Admin/Church values
Linescratcher
12/22/20 12:06pm
Sure, I just think BYU would get plenty of TV exposure in the AAC.
pinolero
12/22/20 12:31pm
Isn't BYU's deal for football only, basketball is with WCC. The AAC deal is for
JONBOY
12/22/20 11:54am
Basketball likely isn’t nearly as much revenue as you think
runningryan
12/22/20 11:59am
I wonder how big the basketball tv deal is. And how much we'd cut out of AAC
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:18pm
2019 data has BYU with $4.32M total broadcast revenue
krindorr
12/22/20 1:04pm
Since you don't know how much BYU is making on their TV deal, we could probably
byubyu
12/22/20 11:55am
KSL estimated the last deal was $6 million per year. Considering the source that is probably a pretty credible estimate
runningryan
12/22/20 12:02pm
Data from disclosures puts $ at $4.3-$4.5 million from ESPN
krindorr
12/22/20 1:06pm
“KSL” = the Mitch Harper article you linked? He was so ‘in the know’ he couldn’t
BYU'01
12/22/20 4:16pm
If the money worked and BYU gets virtually the same TV deal with ESPN then I am
Chester Copperpot
12/22/20 12:01pm
I agree. I guess then the debate is how big the money is. Hard with our info.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:05pm
No, money is not the obstacle
runningryan
12/22/20 12:12pm
If indy money is 4.5, no obstacle. If it is 9, obstacle.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 2:16pm
The ESPN deal is only a small portion of the AD budget. However, the deal
mudpupper
12/22/20 12:02pm
Travel alone would kill the program. Tulsa would be nearest member just a short
Cosmo4life
12/22/20 12:02pm
Travel? We traveling all over already with an independent schedule.
JohnnyC
12/22/20 12:05pm
Besides the Georgia southern game Baylor will be are only game that’s over 1200
Cosmo4life
12/22/20 1:51pm
Yeah, travel would be a bear. Boise and San Diego would help a bit, but still.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:05pm
This is a red herring.
runningryan
12/22/20 12:07pm
That's fair. We already travel a ton. AAC needs BSU and SDSU though, and a new
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:14pm
I am not sure how we have more NY6 access than we thought
runningryan
12/22/20 12:21pm
Covid lessons aren't about pandemics. They're about class.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:25pm
ESPN's tv deal isn't just with the Athletic Department. It's also with byutv
DeekLyfter
12/22/20 12:06pm
BYUtv is not making bank
runningryan
12/22/20 12:09pm
$$$ helps scheduling. Travel costs. So it does matter.
Turnpike Lane
12/22/20 12:23pm
RE: BYU TV Deal With ESPN vs AAC - Hint, not about money
CougarCanuck76
12/22/20 12:11pm
What is your source for that?
runningryan
12/22/20 12:14pm
You’ll find that no one can cite any hard evidence for many of the conventional
Junior Deputy
12/22/20 12:25pm
Yup. However, I very much doubt money is the issue.
runningryan
12/22/20 12:35pm
To be clear I think there are valid reasons to prefer Indy.
Junior Deputy
12/22/20 12:41pm
For sure there is
runningryan
12/22/20 12:46pm
Independence is only going to go until either BYU becomes a P5🤣, or the G5 is
byusage
12/22/20 4:14pm
Re: AAC: In the last 5 years, only 1/60 (each team x 5 seasons) played more than
rcbyufan
12/22/20 12:14pm
I don’t think you read my post carefully
runningryan
12/22/20 12:17pm
I didn't mention money. I wasn't trying to rebut you, I was merely staying if
rcbyufan
12/22/20 12:22pm
My point was not to argue that we join the AAC
runningryan
12/22/20 12:29pm
I can appreciate this take.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:36pm
RE: I can appreciate this take.
runningryan
12/22/20 12:42pm
Didn't BYU get more exposure this year when NOT playing a P5 schedule?
WJCougar
12/22/20 12:33pm
Is that you Jarom?
runningryan
12/22/20 12:37pm
You're implying wins had nothing to do with it.
ochobeeguy
12/22/20 12:49pm
All our wins were in the context of “what if they had played their original schedule”
runningryan
12/22/20 12:54pm
But if we had lost any of the games, nobody would have talked about us.
ochobeeguy
12/22/20 1:06pm
If BYU loses just 1 game....nobody talks about them.
WJCougar
12/22/20 2:53pm
Could this be in part due to COVID making 2020 an Outlier?
Dr MoBYU
12/22/20 12:38pm
And the story of losing 6 p5s was huge. Playoff committee cited it.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:39pm
And as long as we can get harder schedules
runningryan
12/22/20 12:48pm
Yes, but this is exactly why Jarom Jordan is wrong. Took the opposite lesson.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:54pm
I agree with this
runningryan
12/22/20 1:07pm
This is true. And it skews our data against P5 teams.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 1:15pm
I love how many people have crunched the numbers.
runningryan
12/22/20 1:17pm
Here's the 2019 Data
krindorr
12/22/20 1:02pm
Revenue is driven by scheduling.
runningryan
12/22/20 1:10pm
Does Krindor's data suffers from covid changes?
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 1:17pm
2019-2020 shouldn't have much/any COVID influence
krindorr
12/22/20 1:45pm
I don't know what to make of financial disclosures here.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 1:51pm
I tend to lean AAC regardless
krindorr
12/22/20 1:18pm
I am split
runningryan
12/22/20 1:20pm
Future schedules:
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 1:28pm
I think this is mostly wrong, point by point.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 1:42pm
Some interesting numbers for exposure
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 1:48pm
RE: Some interesting numbers for exposure
krindorr
12/22/20 1:56pm
I think ESPN pays more than is in the estimates. I can't back that up.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 2:01pm
My thoughts
krindorr
12/22/20 1:51pm
2-3 P5s is nothing like 6-7.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 2:00pm
RE: 2-3 P5s is nothing like 6-7.
krindorr
12/22/20 2:13pm
I used to be a big join the AAC guy. This season changed me.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 2:40pm
Caveat that this isn't KSL data; it's straight from BYU
krindorr
12/22/20 2:26pm
Yes. It's the school's press release version. Semantics I suppose.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 2:32pm
The entire AAC (13 teams), all sports, TV + radio had media revenue of $23M
BYU'01
12/23/20 12:35pm
Paywall. How does it work if 7.5 goes to UCF?
I'm Dynamite
12/23/20 1:15pm
That 7.5 number includes tournament credits, bowl payouts, CCG payouts. I don't
rcbyufan
12/23/20 1:24pm
Commissioner takes $2M off the top
BYU'01
12/23/20 1:42pm
BYU got more exposure by being the only team in western US to play a full season
BYU'01
12/22/20 5:52pm
AAC is mostly relegated to ESPN+, especially in hoops.
ConnCoug
12/22/20 1:07pm
BYU Basketball Network Breakdown
krindorr
12/22/20 1:34pm
Our fanbase would definitely prefer BYUtv because it's free as opposed to the
ConnCoug
12/22/20 2:19pm
Valid! Was thinking mostly regarding exposure to non-BYU fans
krindorr
12/22/20 2:23pm
3 year old Article. Irrelevant!
LEDSFW
12/22/20 2:41pm
2019-2020 data tells the same story though...
krindorr
12/22/20 2:52pm
If you say so!
runningryan
12/22/20 3:39pm
I do think sports programming is becoming more lucrative in general.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 3:57pm
Hint: you have no idea. All conf sports totaled $22M (13 teams) of TV revenue
BYU'01
12/22/20 5:30pm
Hint: that was based on revenue distributions BEFORE the new TV deal that took effect in Fall 2020
runningryan
12/23/20 1:31pm
Pick a position: FB-only or all sports? old deal or new deal? 12-yr avg vs. '20?
BYU'01
12/23/20 3:12pm
Look at the numbers run above
runningryan
12/23/20 4:04pm
Your 1st sentence is demonstrably wrong. Provide a credible link to the contrary
BYU'01
12/23/20 4:07pm
Look at the links above and the numbers shown by another poster multiple times in the comments above.
runningryan
12/23/20 4:10pm
RE: Your 1st sentence is demonstrably wrong. Provide a credible link to the contrary
runningryan
12/23/20 4:18pm
Links
BYU'01
12/23/20 4:41pm
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