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JONBOY
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Isn't BYU's deal for football only, basketball is with WCC. The AAC deal is for
football and basketball. To compare equally, you'd need to include both.
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BYU TV Deal With ESPN vs AAC - Hint, not about money
runningryan
Starter
12/22/20 11:48am
I'd guess what BYU gets is higher than the average for the AAC.
Turnpike Lane
12/22/20 11:49am
Doubt it.
runningryan
12/22/20 11:54am
Now take the new schedules for home games v. the old into consideration. That is what ESPN is paying for.
Turnpike Lane
12/22/20 11:55am
Yup. Getting 7 P5s, many out of conference, is a big benefit to ESPN.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 11:58am
Think the big issue is that they're almost all road games
krindorr
12/22/20 2:47pm
Travel is hard. This has been sitake's strength so far though.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 2:54pm
100%; BYU has actually played better on the road
krindorr
12/22/20 3:02pm
Quite a bit more.
BornNotBuilt
12/22/20 11:56am
But where are you getting that figure?
runningryan
12/22/20 12:13pm
Data with Links - $4.32M for BYU from broadcast revenue/rights
krindorr
12/22/20 1:03pm
This is from the Daily Herald:
Junior Deputy
12/22/20 12:17pm
How dare you post something from a news outlet using credible estimates and analysis compared to
runningryan
12/22/20 12:25pm
I'm not saying exposure is a bad thing but I think BYU fans overvalue "exposure"
pinolero
12/22/20 11:54am
The exposure is for BYU and the Church not for BYU fans.
BornNotBuilt
12/22/20 11:57am
No - it's definitely for fans too (as well as recruits.)
Eddie
12/22/20 12:16pm
EXPOSURE is for BYU and the Church; ACCESS is for the fans
Doogal McCougar
12/22/20 12:46pm
And exposure is for the recruits and players, too.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:47pm
BYU fans value exposure b/c that's what BOT/Admin/Church values
Linescratcher
12/22/20 12:06pm
Sure, I just think BYU would get plenty of TV exposure in the AAC.
pinolero
12/22/20 12:31pm
Isn't BYU's deal for football only, basketball is with WCC. The AAC deal is for
JONBOY
12/22/20 11:54am
Basketball likely isn’t nearly as much revenue as you think
runningryan
12/22/20 11:59am
I wonder how big the basketball tv deal is. And how much we'd cut out of AAC
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:18pm
2019 data has BYU with $4.32M total broadcast revenue
krindorr
12/22/20 1:04pm
Since you don't know how much BYU is making on their TV deal, we could probably
byubyu
12/22/20 11:55am
KSL estimated the last deal was $6 million per year. Considering the source that is probably a pretty credible estimate
runningryan
12/22/20 12:02pm
Data from disclosures puts $ at $4.3-$4.5 million from ESPN
krindorr
12/22/20 1:06pm
“KSL” = the Mitch Harper article you linked? He was so ‘in the know’ he couldn’t
BYU'01
12/22/20 4:16pm
If the money worked and BYU gets virtually the same TV deal with ESPN then I am
Chester Copperpot
12/22/20 12:01pm
I agree. I guess then the debate is how big the money is. Hard with our info.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:05pm
No, money is not the obstacle
runningryan
12/22/20 12:12pm
If indy money is 4.5, no obstacle. If it is 9, obstacle.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 2:16pm
The ESPN deal is only a small portion of the AD budget. However, the deal
mudpupper
12/22/20 12:02pm
Travel alone would kill the program. Tulsa would be nearest member just a short
Cosmo4life
12/22/20 12:02pm
Travel? We traveling all over already with an independent schedule.
JohnnyC
12/22/20 12:05pm
Besides the Georgia southern game Baylor will be are only game that’s over 1200
Cosmo4life
12/22/20 1:51pm
Yeah, travel would be a bear. Boise and San Diego would help a bit, but still.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:05pm
This is a red herring.
runningryan
12/22/20 12:07pm
That's fair. We already travel a ton. AAC needs BSU and SDSU though, and a new
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:14pm
I am not sure how we have more NY6 access than we thought
runningryan
12/22/20 12:21pm
Covid lessons aren't about pandemics. They're about class.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:25pm
ESPN's tv deal isn't just with the Athletic Department. It's also with byutv
DeekLyfter
12/22/20 12:06pm
BYUtv is not making bank
runningryan
12/22/20 12:09pm
$$$ helps scheduling. Travel costs. So it does matter.
Turnpike Lane
12/22/20 12:23pm
RE: BYU TV Deal With ESPN vs AAC - Hint, not about money
CougarCanuck76
12/22/20 12:11pm
What is your source for that?
runningryan
12/22/20 12:14pm
You’ll find that no one can cite any hard evidence for many of the conventional
Junior Deputy
12/22/20 12:25pm
Yup. However, I very much doubt money is the issue.
runningryan
12/22/20 12:35pm
To be clear I think there are valid reasons to prefer Indy.
Junior Deputy
12/22/20 12:41pm
For sure there is
runningryan
12/22/20 12:46pm
Independence is only going to go until either BYU becomes a P5🤣, or the G5 is
byusage
12/22/20 4:14pm
Re: AAC: In the last 5 years, only 1/60 (each team x 5 seasons) played more than
rcbyufan
12/22/20 12:14pm
I don’t think you read my post carefully
runningryan
12/22/20 12:17pm
I didn't mention money. I wasn't trying to rebut you, I was merely staying if
rcbyufan
12/22/20 12:22pm
My point was not to argue that we join the AAC
runningryan
12/22/20 12:29pm
I can appreciate this take.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:36pm
RE: I can appreciate this take.
runningryan
12/22/20 12:42pm
Didn't BYU get more exposure this year when NOT playing a P5 schedule?
WJCougar
12/22/20 12:33pm
Is that you Jarom?
runningryan
12/22/20 12:37pm
You're implying wins had nothing to do with it.
ochobeeguy
12/22/20 12:49pm
All our wins were in the context of “what if they had played their original schedule”
runningryan
12/22/20 12:54pm
But if we had lost any of the games, nobody would have talked about us.
ochobeeguy
12/22/20 1:06pm
If BYU loses just 1 game....nobody talks about them.
WJCougar
12/22/20 2:53pm
Could this be in part due to COVID making 2020 an Outlier?
Dr MoBYU
12/22/20 12:38pm
And the story of losing 6 p5s was huge. Playoff committee cited it.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:39pm
And as long as we can get harder schedules
runningryan
12/22/20 12:48pm
Yes, but this is exactly why Jarom Jordan is wrong. Took the opposite lesson.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 12:54pm
I agree with this
runningryan
12/22/20 1:07pm
This is true. And it skews our data against P5 teams.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 1:15pm
I love how many people have crunched the numbers.
runningryan
12/22/20 1:17pm
Here's the 2019 Data
krindorr
12/22/20 1:02pm
Revenue is driven by scheduling.
runningryan
12/22/20 1:10pm
Does Krindor's data suffers from covid changes?
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 1:17pm
2019-2020 shouldn't have much/any COVID influence
krindorr
12/22/20 1:45pm
I don't know what to make of financial disclosures here.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 1:51pm
I tend to lean AAC regardless
krindorr
12/22/20 1:18pm
I am split
runningryan
12/22/20 1:20pm
Future schedules:
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 1:28pm
I think this is mostly wrong, point by point.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 1:42pm
Some interesting numbers for exposure
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 1:48pm
RE: Some interesting numbers for exposure
krindorr
12/22/20 1:56pm
I think ESPN pays more than is in the estimates. I can't back that up.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 2:01pm
My thoughts
krindorr
12/22/20 1:51pm
2-3 P5s is nothing like 6-7.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 2:00pm
RE: 2-3 P5s is nothing like 6-7.
krindorr
12/22/20 2:13pm
I used to be a big join the AAC guy. This season changed me.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 2:40pm
Caveat that this isn't KSL data; it's straight from BYU
krindorr
12/22/20 2:26pm
Yes. It's the school's press release version. Semantics I suppose.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 2:32pm
The entire AAC (13 teams), all sports, TV + radio had media revenue of $23M
BYU'01
12/23/20 12:35pm
Paywall. How does it work if 7.5 goes to UCF?
I'm Dynamite
12/23/20 1:15pm
That 7.5 number includes tournament credits, bowl payouts, CCG payouts. I don't
rcbyufan
12/23/20 1:24pm
Commissioner takes $2M off the top
BYU'01
12/23/20 1:42pm
BYU got more exposure by being the only team in western US to play a full season
BYU'01
12/22/20 5:52pm
AAC is mostly relegated to ESPN+, especially in hoops.
ConnCoug
12/22/20 1:07pm
BYU Basketball Network Breakdown
krindorr
12/22/20 1:34pm
Our fanbase would definitely prefer BYUtv because it's free as opposed to the
ConnCoug
12/22/20 2:19pm
Valid! Was thinking mostly regarding exposure to non-BYU fans
krindorr
12/22/20 2:23pm
3 year old Article. Irrelevant!
LEDSFW
12/22/20 2:41pm
2019-2020 data tells the same story though...
krindorr
12/22/20 2:52pm
If you say so!
runningryan
12/22/20 3:39pm
I do think sports programming is becoming more lucrative in general.
I'm Dynamite
12/22/20 3:57pm
Hint: you have no idea. All conf sports totaled $22M (13 teams) of TV revenue
BYU'01
12/22/20 5:30pm
Hint: that was based on revenue distributions BEFORE the new TV deal that took effect in Fall 2020
runningryan
12/23/20 1:31pm
Pick a position: FB-only or all sports? old deal or new deal? 12-yr avg vs. '20?
BYU'01
12/23/20 3:12pm
Look at the numbers run above
runningryan
12/23/20 4:04pm
Your 1st sentence is demonstrably wrong. Provide a credible link to the contrary
BYU'01
12/23/20 4:07pm
Look at the links above and the numbers shown by another poster multiple times in the comments above.
runningryan
12/23/20 4:10pm
RE: Your 1st sentence is demonstrably wrong. Provide a credible link to the contrary
runningryan
12/23/20 4:18pm
Links
BYU'01
12/23/20 4:41pm
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