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Dec 7, 2024
3:41:05pm

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100% agree with this take. Even if the team was 12-0, there are always things to

Improve on.

To me, it’s weird to not want to try and get to the root of why we had 2 losses and I’ll never understand those on CB in the camp of “it’s good enough” …that is the mindset of mediocrity.

Also, switching out an OC is not “wholesale” change. There are three groups to the team— offense, defense and special teams.

Offense was by far the most underperforming group. It’s not like Arod is brand new and still trying to get his personnel in place— he’s been here for years. His offense was ranked somewhere around 110th last season, so it’s also not like he has this prolific track record.

It just makes me laugh how ardent the Arod sympathizers are, when he is a continually underperforming OC.

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Time

Clearly, out of the 3 areas…

airbug

Dec 7, 11:44am

You want changes on a 10-2 team?

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 11:45am

I want the offense to be better than it was this year. In most games it was

russkiejedi

Dec 7, 11:46am

Me too. But that doesn't necessarily mean wholesale changes.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 11:47am

It doesn't mean firing the OC, for sure.

Madam Pattirini

Dec 7, 11:49am

It certainly won't mean that. Doesn't mean that the OC shouldn't adjust the

russkiejedi

Dec 7, 11:54am

Laughable that the average CBer thinks Arod did a poor job this year

Hammer15

Dec 8, 1:40am

We have exactly the offense he recruited and coaches

Dec 8, 10:34am

Recruiting before we were in the big12 vs after

Hammer15

Dec 8, 11:16am

We actually have a ton of Grimes recruits on the roster. ARods first real class

puntersarepeople

Dec 8, 3:27pm

Barely is the operative word

airbug

Dec 7, 11:47am

You think the offense lost us the AZ St game? You would be wrong.

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 11:52am

They will never get it. Kalani, Hill, and Arod know what's up though.

rcbyufan

Dec 7, 12:01pm

I think the defense kept us in it and the offense wasn't good enough.

russkiejedi

Dec 7, 12:05pm

And yet at 3.5 points per drive our defense acted like the #131 defense and at 2.88 ppd

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 12:38pm

Honestly it baffles me how big your bias is to blame that game on the offense.

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 12:44pm

ASU was going to score points. They've done so all year. Offense needed to keep

russkiejedi

Dec 7, 2:56pm

How many points per drive did they average on the season? It wasn't 3.5. Was our defense significantly worse than

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 3:40pm

We were only down 14 before special teams dropped the ball

puntersarepeople

Dec 7, 6:47pm

Hold up, it “baffles you” that BYUs O scoring just 23 points, 5 LESS than ASUs

Dec 7, 3:22pm

Yes. Anyone who didn't realize we only had 8 possessions because of horrible defense doesn't know what is happening.

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 3:35pm

Lolz, “only the Oracle Kimmyboy understands what is happening” …nobody else 😂

Dec 7, 4:22pm

Almost everybody understands it. Sorry if you are not one of those people.

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 9:59pm

The comparison to ASU's offense makes me laugh. In almost every loss the offense

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 3:39pm

I like the eye roll. Any substantive response?

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 3:50pm

Haha, your poor track record hasn’t earned it

Dec 7, 3:53pm

Yes, my track record of...saying that 23 points in 8 possessions is generally

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 3:57pm

Arguing with a troll that hates the cougars is pointless. He just calls names

NYC and Japan

Dec 7, 4:37pm

Haha, I am a better fan than you, look at my years of history, I just expect

Dec 7, 5:29pm

My dad can beat up your dad.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 5:40pm

Probably, he’s in his 70s

Dec 7, 6:17pm

Mine is dead though.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 6:18pm

weeeell… that makes this wager much more difficult then

Dec 7, 6:51pm

O, D and ST all had great halves and bad haves, good games and bad games

NYC and Japan

Dec 7, 12:46pm

100%

kimdaddy35

Dec 7, 12:51pm

Of the 3 Offense was by far the weakest link all season— ST/D way over performed

Dec 7, 3:24pm

Do you recall we put up 3 points in the first half?

imdocrob

Dec 7, 5:57pm

Too bad we didn’t play a second half. And too bad we can’t compare to the

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 6:03pm

Don't fight the bias, just let it burn. They had 9 games of offseason negativity to unleash once we finally lost

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 6:38pm

you're right it was the defense that missed a wide open Jojo or the pick

imdocrob

Dec 7, 7:59pm

I don't know if you missed the point of the conversation or what, but no one was

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 8:03pm

I do believe the point of this whole topic was about the three

imdocrob

Dec 7, 8:15pm

Look at the comment you responded to.

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 8:23pm

Ha its a small CB gaslighting mob that tells you what you saw CLEARLY wasnt what

Dec 7, 8:31pm

Solid reverse post! You were literally describing the tiny group that just can't stop harping on things that are obvious

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 8:49pm

who is ignoring the positives...if you read you would see that the topic stated

imdocrob

Dec 7, 9:57pm

I actually think it is a small group who continually diverts every thread to somehow kvetch about the same things

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 10:53pm

*CB Gaslight mob* “..uh oh, they’re speaking logically HURRY!! Down vote them!!”

Dec 7, 10:56pm

Literal case in point. But here I am getting sucked back into the negative spin cycle. Shame on me

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 10:59pm

RE: Literal case in point. But here I am getting sucked back into the negative

Dec 7, 11:00pm

He keeps saying the “mob” and “bat signal”

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 11:04pm

Those words mob, gaslight, bat signal,

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 11:30pm

Missed this one earlier— but if Arod is as good as you claim, then he’s going to

Dec 8, 12:40am

OH! …forgot to mention, theyll put out the bat signal & 👎🙄 you all day too lol

Dec 7, 8:55pm

Yes, the defense had a tougher offense to face than our offense had facing ASU's defense...

Coug

Dec 7, 11:51pm

It’s tough, we can admit the team had a great season while also realizing ARod

MrSandman

Dec 7, 10:22pm

…careful, the CB gaslight mob is going to get sic’d on you— that said, I dont

Dec 7, 11:18pm

At this point one has to conclude that you are just making stuff up

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 11:23pm

Haha are you a Democrat? Because your behaviors exactly why ur party got crushed

Dec 7, 11:33pm

No I’m not. And your post has nothing to do with what I posted.

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 11:42pm

RE: No I’m not. And your post has nothing to do with what I posted.

Dec 7, 11:55pm

Yes

Dec 7, 11:48am

RE: Yes

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 11:48am

Do you have expectations in your life?

GoodGuyGary1

Dec 7, 1:26pm

This is so dumb. Acting like there aren’t any issues shows how much you lack

bookofdaniel

Dec 7, 1:57pm

Wanting wholesale changes after going 10-2 shows you are dumb.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 2:09pm

Who said I wanted wholesale changes?? QB needs to be better. He’s good not great

bookofdaniel

Dec 7, 2:10pm

So you don't want changes? Just improvement.. cool me too.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 2:14pm

100% agree with this take. Even if the team was 12-0, there are always things to

Dec 7, 3:41pm

Switching out an OC is absolutely wholesale change.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 3:42pm

lol, no, it’s not— it’s one out of the three groups— the underperforming one

Dec 7, 3:44pm

Completely changing the offense isn't wholesale change? As you said lol.

Rusty Crab Daddy

Dec 7, 3:46pm

Some position coaches could prob retained, like Gilford was when Hill joined

Dec 7, 3:48pm

I've tried to pin you down on this, so here is a great chance. Simple question

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 3:46pm

Easy to get swamped by the "data" being thrown around. Cliffs notes: Retzlaff is bad, fire arod, and Hill is infallible

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 6:42pm

Decent assessment, except Retz isn’t “bad” but also not as good as some CBers

Dec 7, 6:59pm

That was a huge TIC

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 7:26pm

Yeah, I could tell

Dec 7, 7:44pm

Yes a qb that can throw long passes accurately 50% of the time.

fan32

Dec 7, 7:59pm

Are you happy that the offense is ranked #58 in FBS as of today?

CT98

Dec 7, 10:18pm

What measure are you using to say 58th?

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 10:20pm

Yards per game. I know this is just one measure but it is a statistical line

CT98

Dec 7, 10:22pm

It’s actually not that indicative. Yards per game depends highly on pace of play

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 11:46pm

Our offense is the worst of the three phases is an ice cold take. Everyone knows

NGB

Dec 7, 11:47am

Solution.…no changes?

airbug

Dec 7, 11:48am

You must have missed the changes they made last year?

I'mBatman

Dec 7, 11:54am

You wouldn't know from some of the discussion on here.

russkiejedi

Dec 7, 11:48am

Doubt [x]

NGB

Dec 7, 11:49am

Jefe, PLEASE make a coaching complaints category. The time has come.

Dec 7, 11:48am

There's another website specifically for that

NGB

Dec 7, 11:50am

This, so I can ignore it. Thank you.

Mozey

Dec 7, 12:19pm

That would be awesome. Then I might be able to come on CB after a loss. Usually:

Meadowcoug

Dec 7, 1:25pm

Totally agree. Call it Cougarboard coaching fire-storm

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 3:44pm

Jefe doesn't have any incentive to do that because the conflict generates views and ad revenue. It would be category

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 7:38pm

For years our defense was weak link, makes one wonder when could ever synch them up

CLCougar

Dec 7, 11:49am

Here's a huge change: our QB and most starters will get a whole year better.

Brandoblueblood

Dec 7, 12:50pm

No. The lines are all graduating. Next season will be tough

TNT

Dec 7, 6:14pm

Bring in another offensive analyst or two to help with play calling, film

Cougarite

Dec 7, 1:17pm

There are/will be lots of changes silly. New players coming in, less used

boctabulous

Dec 7, 1:59pm

Defense wasn't so great second half of year, giving up 24 points per game.

viper

Dec 7, 2:46pm

Interesting correlation, Offense struggled way more 2nd half, keeping D on the

Dec 7, 3:30pm

Have any stats to back that up? Seems like a time of possession claim, so it

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 3:49pm

At this point it doesnt matter caus if I told you the skys blue, youd deny it 😂

Dec 7, 3:56pm

Can you point to anytime you used an objective stat instead of your own claims,

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 3:57pm

You are the easiest to debunk buddy

Dec 7, 4:02pm

You fail to debunk anyone. Name calling is not debunking.

NYC and Japan

Dec 7, 4:34pm

…do you creepily read all my comments, otherwise how would you know 😂

Dec 7, 5:32pm

I went ahead and looked it up, pre and post Oklahoma State

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 4:07pm

That's too much data 🙂

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 7, 6:55pm

I did notice there was no response.

chilawcoug

Dec 7, 7:10pm

I was talking essentially from # of possessions perspective. 24 PPG is bad D

viper

Dec 7, 5:48pm

I wonder who has responsibility for recruiting on offense?

BYUSunriver

Dec 7, 3:35pm

There are changes. Our QB now has a full year of P4 starting experience.

Reasonable1

Dec 7, 4:18pm

Running back running seemed particularly weak. It only worked when our pass was

HeyU

Dec 7, 4:40pm

Y'all are crazy. The team is 10-2. The QB, running back and a lot of the

BYUFan2010

Dec 8, 1:25am

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