I agree that a 4th down failure is worse. Quantifying how much worse is not straightforward.

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Sep 16, 2024
3:49:21pm

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

I agree that a 4th down failure is worse. Quantifying how much worse is not straightforward.

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POLL: Do you agree with BYU's chosen strategy of using 4th down more often than anyone else in the nation?

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

Sep 16, 3:29pm

FWIW, I'm personally undecided on this topic until I see more data.

Indy Coug

Sep 16, 3:29pm

That highschool who never kicks man. You can't score without the ball. Don't

paulb

Sep 16, 3:30pm

I strongly disagree with the "never kick" philosophy

Indy Coug

Sep 16, 3:31pm

RE: I strongly disagree with the "never kick" philosophy

paulb

Sep 16, 3:34pm

Numbers look good early this year, but I expect the success rate to drop significantly as the season progresses

kccougar

Sep 16, 3:32pm

Only two teams exceeded 80% conversions on 4th down last year

Indy Coug

Sep 16, 3:33pm

I put no. I don’t think there is enough data to always go for it on 4th.

Mathew

Sep 16, 3:32pm

Not really. I think we left points on the board at SMU in a game where points

NOCAL_YFAN

Sep 16, 3:36pm

The biggest complaint I have about A-Rod - more than running option to the short

Iron Coug

Sep 16, 3:37pm

Even with the added .800 conversion rate on 4th down, that still only brings the

foofcoug

Sep 16, 3:38pm

(11 3rd down conversions + 8 4th down conversions) / (39 3rd downs) = 1st downs 48.7% of the time

Indy Coug

Sep 16, 3:40pm

48.7 is good, but the consequence of failing on a 4th down try is worse

Belboz

Sep 16, 3:47pm

I agree that a 4th down failure is worse. Quantifying how much worse is not straightforward.

Indy Coug

Sep 16, 3:49pm

Agreed plus we're only attempting a fraction of the total 4th downs, we're

Rhubarb

Sep 16, 3:51pm

Given that we've converted on 8/10. I'd say we're doing it right so far.

ManicBlue

Sep 16, 3:39pm

I'm extremely conservative and hate risk. I like punting on 4th down

Belboz

Sep 16, 3:43pm

I wish BYU's chosen strategy was to convert 3rd downs more often than just once

Sep 16, 3:44pm

When you are playing teams you're clearly better than, then you need to go for it on 4th down more often than the

HarlemCoug

Sep 16, 3:46pm

And this seems to match up with Kalani/Arod's philosopy.

kccougar

Sep 16, 3:47pm

Rule should be 1 punt per quarter.

Longseason

Sep 16, 3:58pm

BYU is punting 4 times a game, which is about average nationally.

Indy Coug

Sep 16, 4:01pm

I think given opponent quality, distance to gain, and field position ...

Coop

Sep 16, 4:01pm

It's a non-issue if BYU could actually convert on 3rd downs. 4th worst in the nation this year; 2nd worst last year.

unctoothman

Sep 16, 4:30pm

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