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Sep 16, 2024
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foofcoug
Wonder what the character limi
Even with the added .800 conversion rate on 4th down, that still only brings the
overall 3rd/4th down conversion rate up to 38.78%. Still pretty bad.
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POLL: Do you agree with BYU's chosen strategy of using 4th down more often than anyone else in the nation?
Indy Coug
Loquacious Lummox
Sep 16, 3:29pm
FWIW, I'm personally undecided on this topic until I see more data.
Indy Coug
Sep 16, 3:29pm
That highschool who never kicks man. You can't score without the ball. Don't
paulb
Sep 16, 3:30pm
I strongly disagree with the "never kick" philosophy
Indy Coug
Sep 16, 3:31pm
RE: I strongly disagree with the "never kick" philosophy
paulb
Sep 16, 3:34pm
Numbers look good early this year, but I expect the success rate to drop significantly as the season progresses
kccougar
Sep 16, 3:32pm
Only two teams exceeded 80% conversions on 4th down last year
Indy Coug
Sep 16, 3:33pm
I put no. I don’t think there is enough data to always go for it on 4th.
Mathew
Sep 16, 3:32pm
Not really. I think we left points on the board at SMU in a game where points
NOCAL_YFAN
Sep 16, 3:36pm
The biggest complaint I have about A-Rod - more than running option to the short
Iron Coug
Sep 16, 3:37pm
Even with the added .800 conversion rate on 4th down, that still only brings the
foofcoug
Sep 16, 3:38pm
(11 3rd down conversions + 8 4th down conversions) / (39 3rd downs) = 1st downs 48.7% of the time
Indy Coug
Sep 16, 3:40pm
48.7 is good, but the consequence of failing on a 4th down try is worse
Belboz
Sep 16, 3:47pm
I agree that a 4th down failure is worse. Quantifying how much worse is not straightforward.
Indy Coug
Sep 16, 3:49pm
Agreed plus we're only attempting a fraction of the total 4th downs, we're
Rhubarb
Sep 16, 3:51pm
Given that we've converted on 8/10. I'd say we're doing it right so far.
ManicBlue
Sep 16, 3:39pm
I'm extremely conservative and hate risk. I like punting on 4th down
Belboz
Sep 16, 3:43pm
I wish BYU's chosen strategy was to convert 3rd downs more often than just once
IceCreamButt
Sep 16, 3:44pm
When you are playing teams you're clearly better than, then you need to go for it on 4th down more often than the
HarlemCoug
Sep 16, 3:46pm
And this seems to match up with Kalani/Arod's philosopy.
kccougar
Sep 16, 3:47pm
Rule should be 1 punt per quarter.
Longseason
Sep 16, 3:58pm
BYU is punting 4 times a game, which is about average nationally.
Indy Coug
Sep 16, 4:01pm
I think given opponent quality, distance to gain, and field position ...
Coop
Sep 16, 4:01pm
It's a non-issue if BYU could actually convert on 3rd downs. 4th worst in the nation this year; 2nd worst last year.
unctoothman
Sep 16, 4:30pm
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