I had to look it up, seems like Utah doesn't allow "mutual combat" as a defense to an assault/homicide charge

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Jun 4, 2024
12:06:46pm

byujag All-American

still, since no deadly weapon was involved, it was just fist punching that caught the guy just right, I imagine they'll go with some kind of lesser manslaughter or assault charge rather than murder.

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Road rage takes another young father

EM_Puma

Jun 4, 11:26am

A stupid fight over something so trivial is now a potential murder. That's terrible.

jacobugath

Jun 4, 11:29am

Most window tint levels are OK in Utah.

Division Bell

Jun 4, 11:30am

I don't like tinted windows, when I'm on my bike I want to see the driver and

RC Vikings

Jun 4, 12:16pm

Same. It's hard to flip someone off if they can't see me.

Division Bell

Jun 4, 1:17pm

It is never worth it... Let the other driver "win" . I get upset but I have

Cougar TD

Jun 4, 11:33am

Its past time for video surveillance on roadways. Will save lives

chismoso

Jun 4, 11:33am

I don't think encouraging cameras on millions of roads is the answer. besides the privacy issues, the cost would be huge

byujag

Jun 4, 11:37am

no.. just get your own car camera

Saxa

Jun 4, 11:37am

Hard no from me on that one.

NOCAL_YFAN

Jun 4, 11:38am

The last thing we need is more government... just stop.

HarlemCoug

Jun 4, 11:42am

RE: Its past time for video surveillance on roadways. Will save lives

Penske Material

Jun 4, 11:44am

Lots of options. Linus identifies a couple good choices.

MarylandFan

Jun 4, 9:15pm

So the post has nothing to do with the news story?

JimmyZ

Jun 4, 11:35am

Specifically: no. Topically: yes.

BoiseBlueCoug

Jun 4, 11:36am

Yeah, that was really confusing. I thought there was going to be a tie-in

Superkid

Jun 4, 11:41am

I added an addendum.

EM_Puma

Jun 4, 11:55am

One man dead another facing a long prison term over brake-checking.

CatamountFan

Jun 4, 11:38am

You have your 8 and 10 year old with you. You cut off a guy, brake check him,

Medute

Jun 4, 11:38am

Adrenaline + ego and/or temper is a really bad combination.

BoiseBlueCoug

Jun 4, 11:43am

Agreed, but the guy who killed him also must face the consequences.

Mitty

Jun 4, 12:00pm

There definitely needs to be consequences--ones that take into consideration

EM_Puma

Jun 4, 12:04pm

The other guy didn't need to do anything about it though either. It goes both ways.

TheLoneCougar

Jun 4, 12:00pm

Agree with your first sentence. Feel bad for the guy, but sounds like they both

Blue for Life

Jun 4, 11:42am

I disagree with your conclusion. There needs to be jail time

The Dark Knight

Jun 4, 11:49am

Yeah if they just pulled over got in a fight sure, but following them?

SLC-Durham

Jun 4, 11:53am

it's premeditated assault if that's a thing I think it is. Not just self defense

Mayor of Cougartown

Jun 4, 11:54am

Premeditation could never apply in this case. Unless you can prove that he

Corn Pop

Jun 4, 12:40pm

I was thinking self-defense could apply for the person being followed.

The Dark Knight

Jun 4, 12:41pm

Doubt it. Says he was from Eagle Mountain and the fight took place in Lehi.

Corn Pop

Jun 4, 12:50pm

You make a good point and one I didn't specifically take into consideration.

Blue for Life

Jun 4, 11:56am

I had to look it up, seems like Utah doesn't allow "mutual combat" as a defense to an assault/homicide charge

byujag

Jun 4, 12:06pm

Why are you going 85 in the left lane if the right lane was available for him to pass? The law requires you to move over

HarlemCoug

Jun 4, 11:44am

Have you traveled to St. George from Utah/SL counties lately?

EM_Puma

Jun 4, 11:53am

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

Traveling Coug

Jun 4, 11:44am

It's interesting how we lose our humanity a bit while driving.

runnincoug

Jun 4, 11:45am

Why does stuff like this happen in Utah more than other places. Seems odd.

Dangerous

Jun 4, 11:55am

Every time I hear a claim like this, I go on another business trip and see plenty of road rage and left lane lurkers.

Division Bell

Jun 4, 11:59am

I don't think it's just you. I notice it exponentially more when I'm in Utah.

gangbusters

Jun 4, 12:05pm

TBF, you're in Utah from Idaho. Utahns hate how you drive.

Superkid

Jun 4, 12:10pm

Idaho drivers are awful. I routinely see them going 55-65 mph in the left lane

Jdoc

Jun 4, 12:13pm

You're very correct, but thankfully not aggressive usually.

gangbusters

Jun 4, 12:15pm

True

Jdoc

Jun 4, 12:20pm

Does it?

Byron McNertney

Jun 4, 12:11pm

It doesn't. Utah is ranked #21 for confrontational drivers.

runnincoug

Jun 4, 12:20pm

When I lived in Texas back in the eighties, they had the most polite drivers

AF Cougar

Jun 4, 5:45pm

Texas has had the worst driving I ever saw.

YSMACK

Jun 4, 5:53pm

POST OF THE YEAR! The sooner Utah drivers get some self awareness the sooner

buckeyecougarguy

Jun 5, 1:44pm

Both guys were total idiots. Sad that it resulted in a loss of life,

Peter Venkman

Jun 4, 12:01pm

Adults having fist fights baffles me. Why???

Belboz

Jun 4, 12:33pm

The natural man is an enemy to God.

MarylandFan

Jun 4, 9:23pm

I'm assuming the surviving dude must have stayed behind for police to arrive as

EM_Puma

Jun 4, 12:48pm

It’s cases like this one that make me hate fighting and despise those who cheer them on so ignorantly. The classic

Zach Morris

Jun 4, 12:56pm

What are you doing that ends you up in group brawls and fights like that?

supertux

Jun 4, 1:04pm

Brawls from my late teens and early 20s — prior to my mission. I hung out with guys who could scrap. People like this

Zach Morris

Jun 4, 1:07pm

Avoided one myself recently.

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