anybody else do it? It's absolutely significant and just really, really crazy and ignorant to argue otherwise.

And, no, it most definitely does **NOT** mean we're anywhere remotely close to the others we share the distinction with, but definitely significant.

I seem to be posting the same point non-stop ever since I signed up on CB, but ... why don't p eople understand nuanced discussion? Can't we agree that it's significant, impressive, nice, etc, and also agree that it's not the only stat that matters? That there are other stats and facts that indicate cause for concern? THAT is the intelligent argument, not trying to dismiss 20 win seasons. You can think 20 win seasons every year is awesome and STILL think Dave Rose isn't amazing and hope for something better. You don't have to choose between two extreme positions.