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Oct 20, 2017
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CoachSpeak
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Hmmm.....
I'm not sure you are really getting the point but that's ok. Once again just remember that what you think you see is not necessarily correct although I have no doubt you believe it is.
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If you could change 1 thing about CB, what would it be? *Asking for Jefe...
Ragnar Danneskjold
This space for rent
10/19/17 2:12pm
I don't think anyone should be able to ignore me.
benny1982
10/19/17 2:13pm
Fewer stupid opinions. Can someone work on that?
Kilgore Trout
10/19/17 2:14pm
Just 1 reply so far?
Ragnar Danneskjold
10/19/17 2:14pm
Yes! RD isn't ignoring me!
Kilgore Trout
10/19/17 2:15pm
Not sure why you'd ignore Kilgore. I never see anything controversial from him.
benny1982
10/19/17 2:15pm
Oh yeah?
Kilgore Trout
10/19/17 2:19pm
Add reciprocal ignore so people I have on ignore can't see my posts.
BYUtka
10/19/17 2:15pm
You already can prevent people from seeing your posts if you don't want them to.
joelvandyne
10/19/17 2:17pm
You can?
CDV
10/19/17 2:26pm
FO posts
spugeddy24
10/19/17 2:27pm
FO?
CDV
10/19/17 2:27pm
I don't think others should have control over what I see on the board
spugeddy24
10/19/17 2:24pm
They already do. This would give you more control of who can or cannot see your
BYUtka
10/19/17 2:38pm
My way of determining who can see my posts is posting FO. Other than that I shouldn't be able to alter other's viewing
spugeddy24
10/19/17 2:39pm
Why are you good with FO but not recip ignore? What's the difference?
Ulysses14
10/19/17 6:44pm
I'm comfortable sharing personal details of my life with my FO.* Not the general
AndyDwyer
10/19/17 7:01pm
I'm saying still have FO but add a recip ignore option too
Ulysses14
10/19/17 7:17pm
Yep, very different purposes.
BYUtka
10/19/17 7:27pm
Yes, reciprocal ignores are meant to control the experiences of others.
AndyDwyer
10/19/17 7:30pm
No, they are to give you more nuanced control over your own posts.
BYUtka
10/19/17 7:40pm
By not allowing certain others to see your posts. Sounds like FO.
AndyDwyer
10/19/17 7:49pm
Then you don’t understand. I suspect you are not understanding on purpose.
BYUtka
10/19/17 8:34pm
Sounds like what Jefe says to me during appeals.
AndyDwyer
10/19/17 10:33pm
LOL....me to
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 9:51am
He understands. he just has a difference of opinion.
spugeddy24
10/20/17 1:45pm
By controlling other's ability of what they can see.
spugeddy24
10/20/17 1:44pm
That already happens in a bulky way. This makes it more nuanced and potentially
BYUtka
10/20/17 2:26pm
That isn't the point....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 10:09am
Because I shouldn't be able to control the main board.
spugeddy24
10/20/17 1:44pm
Why do you want to see his posts so badly....
CoachSpeak
10/19/17 10:05pm
General users should not be able to control the CB experience of other users. That power is limited to mods acting in
DapperDan
10/20/17 6:42am
I think GenPop would benefit because fewer people would be pushed "underground"
Ulysses14
10/20/17 6:49am
Two things. First, why do you think general users should be able to control other's CB experience?
DapperDan
10/20/17 6:52am
1) They already can via FO. If more people are comfortable with GenPop
Ulysses14
10/20/17 6:56am
FO is not genpop. FO is your playground to control. Genpop is not yours to control
DapperDan
10/20/17 8:04am
Some trolls just can't admit that it would force them to stop trolling.
Division Bell
10/20/17 8:05am
You weren't even on CB when the feature existed. It didn't do what you think it would do.
DapperDan
10/20/17 8:07am
I still think it's worth a try.
Division Bell
10/20/17 8:19am
It's been tried. It doesn't work the way you or BYUtka think it does.
DapperDan
10/20/17 8:22am
Yes. It does, and it makes CB a better place for non-trolls.
BYUtka
10/20/17 9:38am
By non-trolls, you mean"snowflakes".
Superkid
10/20/17 9:42am
Maybe....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 9:48am
Why are you harrassing me with your thdowns? Are you a troll?
DapperDan
10/20/17 9:48am
No, I don’t do that. I am disagreeing with your post without having to type a
BYUtka
10/20/17 9:56am
Abusing the feature is considered harrassment
DapperDan
10/20/17 9:57am
As it should be.
BYUtka
10/20/17 9:58am
You probably should disengage. It's embarrassing.
Division Bell
10/20/17 10:16am
I'm starting to feel bad for him too
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:17am
This is a perfect example of the point I am making....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 10:41am
You mean Division Bell coming to your aid as part of a coordinated group attack?
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:46am
I can see I've hit a nerve...
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 10:57am
The one that makes me laugh
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:59am
Let me help you....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 11:11am
Funny how those most outspoken against liberal "safe spaces" are the ones most loudly in favor of it on CB.
BYUtiful
10/20/17 8:20am
Reciprocal ignore is about turning your genpop experience into an echo chamber
russkiejedi
10/20/17 9:49am
No. Ignore could accomplish that. Recip refines the experience and removes the
BYUtka
10/20/17 9:55am
But this is not really true....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 10:04am
haha and the conspiracy theories come out. Glad I've got my tinfoil hat on.
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:05am
There's no "conspiracy theory" at all....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 10:13am
You're literally making up a conspiracy theory that isn't true. How can I not laugh about it?
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:15am
What "conspiracy theory" am I "making up"?
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 10:22am
The entire thing. What is happening is that people who disagree with posts are *gasp* disagreeing with them.
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:28am
Glad I could help you out....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 10:32am
Have you considered the possiblity that if so many people disagree with you
joelvandyne
10/20/17 10:10am
Or even if it's a subjective opinion, that others legitimately disagreeing with it is not coordinated trolling
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:16am
I normally see this as a “vocal minority and a silent majority” situation. Sometimes your assertion
kalifi
10/20/17 10:18am
Sure...
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 10:19am
Re: "It is actually happening on this thread to a degree"
joelvandyne
10/20/17 10:31am
If I was "crying" then sure....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 10:40am
I have considered those points. I think the people making them are wrong.
joelvandyne
10/20/17 10:50am
Hmmm.....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 11:01am
Likewise friend. Glad we could have this civil conversation.
joelvandyne
10/20/17 11:04am
You bet....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 11:12am
If it was simply not seeing people disagreeing the current ignore works just
BYUtka
10/20/17 11:06am
Oh I get it....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 8:26am
I think that's the crux of the matter.
Division Bell
10/20/17 8:31am
That you think this is about any one user's posts shows you don't understand
DapperDan
10/20/17 8:34am
But again, you could have an FO post on here too that I wouldn't be able to see
Ulysses14
10/20/17 8:40am
That's literally the purpose of FO. I don't know why you keep bringing it up.
DapperDan
10/20/17 8:43am
Unfortunately FO is not as "secure" a place as you are trying to pretend it is..
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 8:52am
I've made no claims to FO being secure, so I have no idea why you bring that up.
DapperDan
10/20/17 9:05am
I don't need any "inside knowledge"....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 10:07am
I'll be honest about accusations that aren't true. Will you?
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:12am
what "accusations" am I making?
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 10:30am
I really hope you don't believe that nonesense. No one's out to get you, they just don't agree with you
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:35am
Where did I say anyone is out to get "me"?
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 10:45am
You're missing the point. What you see as a coordinated attack is exactly what's happening here. People disagreeing and
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:50am
See you really don't get it....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 11:08am
I get that you imagine this to be the case and honestly it's quite flattering and amusing
DapperDan
10/20/17 11:12am
The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Hamlet Act 3, Scene 2
Division Bell
10/20/17 11:19am
oh no post mocking me and someone piling on with a th'up. Whatever will I do?
DapperDan
10/20/17 11:46am
Maybe you should put us on ignore.
BYUtka
10/20/17 11:51am
No thanks. I've got a great deal on my big boy pants and I'm not about to take them off
DapperDan
10/20/17 11:54am
Let me speak up for CoachSpeak. He’s just trying to get his point across.
IndianaCoug
10/20/17 11:50am
I don't think it is about "any one user's posts"....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 8:40am
If you mean "CB trolling" which means posting opinions that aren't far right or 150% in support of BYU or the Church
DapperDan
10/20/17 8:49am
and for the third or fourth time...
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 8:58am
It's very simple, a general user should not have the power to moderate other's CB experience
DapperDan
10/20/17 9:00am
Why not?
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 9:09am
Since Jefe has removed the feature, you'd make more sense to present an argument for "why"
DapperDan
10/20/17 9:16am
I'm not trying to make an argument for "why"....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 9:23am
You are looking at this backward. It is about having more control of your own
BYUtka
10/20/17 9:31am
By controlling others. If you want control, post in the FO that you control. That's what I do.
DapperDan
10/20/17 9:50am
You still have this completely backward. At this point I suspect you are missing
BYUtka
10/20/17 9:58am
You're the one with the twisted logic here.
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:01am
No. I am not.
BYUtka
10/20/17 10:36am
Too many define trolling as, "Has a different opinion/worldview than me and
Byron McNertney
10/20/17 9:07am
Agreed. I'd just rather sensitive people exclude the 1% who annoy them rather
Ulysses14
10/20/17 9:16am
Same. It is sad to me that everyone has retreated to FO.
BYUtka
10/20/17 10:09am
Sure....
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 9:30am
Yes it did. For those who used it, it was nice, effective and made the board a
BYUtka
10/20/17 9:30am
He is remembering corretly IMO...
CoachSpeak
10/20/17 9:33am
Why do you care who reads your posts (outside of FO), especially if you have
AndyDwyer
10/19/17 2:39pm
Right now there is no downside to getting ignored, so certain posters act in a
BYUtka
10/19/17 2:48pm
Yes, there is a downside. Your overall ignore score goes up, which impacts how many people can see your posts.
spugeddy24
10/19/17 2:52pm
You clearly don't understand how ignores work in this board
unctoothman
10/20/17 5:50am
Besides spugeddy's correct statement above, the downside is that someone else
unctoothman
10/20/17 6:16am
Why do you think it's anyone's businesses if he wants to exclude certain trolls?
Division Bell
10/19/17 9:47pm
He's controlling what users experience on the website. You can't see how that
AndyDwyer
10/19/17 10:32pm
Nope. Unless someone is ignoring a ton of people, the effects would be small but
BYUtka
10/19/17 10:51pm
So, like State-sponsored media?
AndyDwyer
10/19/17 3:04pm
Strongly disagree. You don't want to see my posts, but I sure like being able to see yours.
Superkid
10/19/17 10:22pm
You might end up seeing more. Let's say he simply doesn't want me to see his
Ulysses14
10/20/17 4:50am
If he doesn't feel comfortable posting something in genpop, that's a him
unctoothman
10/20/17 5:52am
Is that what FO is?
Ulysses14
10/20/17 6:09am
You have much more faith in humanity than I do. What I see as a more likely
joelvandyne
10/20/17 8:25am
Oh I get it. You guys are asking for a more safe space to post. That's cute.
Superkid
10/20/17 8:34am
Is that why you use FO? For a safe space?
Ulysses14
10/20/17 8:42am
No. I use FO to post stuff that's not appropriate for the board and personal info.
Superkid
10/20/17 8:48am
BYU’s record on the schedule page.
jakesnake
10/19/17 2:17pm
Not this year though.
Ragnar Danneskjold
10/19/17 2:18pm
<< Deleted >>
AndyDwyer
10/19/17 2:18pm
Rumors should include sourse. No quoting un-named people.
Count Cougar
10/19/17 2:20pm
I vote for indulgences.
Ragnar Danneskjold
10/19/17 2:21pm
Got my shirt off & pants rolled up. At the bottom of the RB stairs ready to go!
mantis mutu
10/19/17 2:28pm
They already exist if you’re liberal.
garyfan
10/19/17 2:28pm
Ideological neutrality. "Yeah right!!!"
mantis mutu
10/19/17 2:26pm
Everyone has to ignore benny1982. His opinions are terrible.
crazY
10/19/17 2:27pm
Reciprocal UNignore
benny1982
10/19/17 2:28pm
Less moderation
GhostofPostersPast
10/19/17 2:31pm
With a reciprocal ignore this would happen naturally. More people would self
BYUtka
10/19/17 2:50pm
Which is just fine. CB is not what it once was because of overmoderation
GhostofPostersPast
10/19/17 2:52pm
It didn't work that way when reciprical ignores existed
DapperDan
10/19/17 2:52pm
Pretty close to it. You are remembering wrong.
BYUtka
10/20/17 9:32am
I can guarantee I am not misremembering. You have a nostalgic view of the past.
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:02am
What type of guarantee? What are you willing to back this with?
BYUtka
10/20/17 10:23am
Since you likely think I was one of these trolls who changed their posting due to being reciprocal ignored I cann tell
DapperDan
10/20/17 10:30am
I don’t think that. Until this thread, I basically don’t remember having any
BYUtka
10/20/17 10:51am
I've been on the board forever, and it was only a couple people who couldn't handle people disgreeing with them
DapperDan
10/20/17 11:11am
Or maybe you just didn’t see it, because it was working well.
BYUtka
10/20/17 11:14am
Need to clarify that. You didn’t see how it impacted the board, because it
BYUtka
10/20/17 11:17am
It was invisible to everyone but one or two people. Not sure how that made the board better.
DapperDan
10/20/17 11:52am
Agreed. I have nobody on ignore but don’t understand why recip ignore was taken
Jericho
10/19/17 2:56pm
5 day wait period before you can post after creating account
Tygger
10/19/17 2:36pm
And 5 additional days if your first post is really stupid.
mantis mutu
10/19/17 2:39pm
Self-serve fountain drink stand, virtual of course...
Frank Castiglione
10/19/17 2:38pm
No more suspensions. Just delete posts if you don’t want them on the board
Jericho
10/19/17 2:41pm
it would be out of control.
smokymountainrain
10/19/17 3:03pm
Adding recip ignores or forcing that between offending parties for
Jericho
10/19/17 3:09pm
I think some suspense is OK, but for something egregious
GhostofPostersPast
10/19/17 4:07pm
jefe would still be CEO, but i would be chief moderation officer
smokymountainrain
10/19/17 2:48pm
Better spelling
Go_Trojans
10/19/17 2:48pm
FRAMES
shimmy
10/19/17 2:59pm
Add an "anything goes" category for subscribers
Twin Roots
10/19/17 3:01pm
that would be hugely popular.
smokymountainrain
10/19/17 3:02pm
There an "Uncivil Politics" group for subscribers that is kind of like that.
El Jefe
10/20/17 9:40am
Great suggestion. I might subscribe for that
jkccoug
10/20/17 10:43am
Everyone would agree with me...always
CBaass
10/19/17 3:06pm
Someone gets voted off the island every week.
Seaward
10/19/17 9:11pm
Pretty sure that becomes the hunger games after a while.
Blue Plate Special
10/19/17 9:18pm
To decrease trolls, before signing up, you have to answer several BYU
Traveshamockery
10/20/17 9:32am
Has to be two things. Level of Drama and Civility. So I would say
DJROSS
10/20/17 10:02am
Are you glad you asked this question?
Ulysses14
10/20/17 3:00pm
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