Because he plays a lot of minutes with Saunders and Keita. +/- isn’t a real

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Mar 14, 2025
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fredgarvin All-American

meaningful stat on an individual level. It’s more useful for analyzing lineups.

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Time

Hot take: Demin has never been that good

Yorpits8me

Mar 14, 7:49pm

I have to squint to see the potential.

Madam Pattirini

Mar 14, 7:51pm

You should go look at most of our greats’ freshman numbers.

WP17

Mar 14, 10:30pm

That's undoubtedly true but calls for us to reassess the wisdom of pouring money

Jasbo

Mar 15, 12:11am

Yeah, this year has been a total waste. Lol.

dfudge

Mar 15, 12:22am

Haha this is one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever seen on cougarboard. Our starting PG who scores 9 ppg has zero ROI

WP17

Mar 15, 12:26am

Why is he number one in plus minus in conference games?

kimdaddy35

Mar 14, 7:51pm

Because he plays a lot of minutes with Saunders and Keita. +/- isn’t a real

fredgarvin

Mar 14, 8:02pm

So…he’s a key part of our best lineups…

arcawley

Mar 14, 8:10pm

The rest of the lineup is good enough to overcome his turnovers & poor shooting

fredgarvin

Mar 14, 8:14pm

Or…he’s a valuable facilitator and an underrated defender with his length

arcawley

Mar 14, 8:20pm

That's funny because his number is better than theirs. It makes no sense.

kimdaddy35

Mar 14, 11:10pm

LeBron's +/- this year is -26. You think the Lakers are better without him?

fredgarvin

Mar 15, 12:00am

Number of NBA games makes that a hard comparison to make imo

arcawley

Mar 15, 12:11am

Then wouldn't an individual's +/- mean even less in fewer games played?

fredgarvin

Mar 15, 12:14am

That is not what I am telling you, that is what the numbers are proving to you.

kimdaddy35

Mar 15, 11:40am

You have to be able to shoot to survive in today’s NBA or

arizonacougarfan

Mar 14, 7:52pm

The shot will come along and his passing is an elite skill

arcawley

Mar 14, 8:22pm

His vision is elite but his passing is often lazy and leads to turnovers

gmj81

Mar 14, 10:09pm

Yes, his shooting will likely improve, but not because we say it will. I remember CBers some years back saying that...

Brisco

Mar 15, 12:48am

Demin’s biggest weakness with his shot is his shot selection. He has a nice

OKchief

Mar 15, 1:02am

This 100%.

dfudge

Mar 15, 8:59am

Wait til hes passing to bigs on a short roll that can do something with the ball

GfB

Mar 14, 7:54pm

Yeah, okay. You think +.500 ball in the Big12 was possible w/out him??

SinkingQuffa

Mar 14, 7:54pm

Pretty sure he didn’t say that at all

maxpowers

Mar 14, 8:09pm

He didn't. But I think the negativity needed to be qualified a bit.

SinkingQuffa

Mar 14, 8:12pm

Were I his dad, I'd have him return next yr to BYU & develop strength, shooting

Forzaitalia

Mar 14, 7:55pm

You're right. He'll go the G league and that's tough coming back from

Crazy Joe Davola

Mar 14, 7:56pm

Whatever… turning down/ delaying literally millions is such a good plan. Risk

NYC and Japan

Mar 14, 8:28pm

He will get millions next yr thru NIL & be a top 1% earner as a 19 yr old & BYU

Forzaitalia

Mar 14, 8:39pm

Sounds good until you weigh the risks doesn’t it? What if he gets hurt? What if

OKchief

Mar 14, 9:18pm

He's still a multi-millionnaire either way. He'll wash out of the G League if he

Forzaitalia

Mar 14, 11:40pm

Man, I wish the rest of us knew everything like you!!!! You have all the answers

OKchief

Mar 15, 12:07am

Stick to your 1 dimensional money maximation thinking with your kids if that's

Forzaitalia

Mar 15, 12:26am

You’re just thinking one dimensional as a fan

OKchief

Mar 15, 12:39am

Nah. You fail to realize it's 2025 not 2015, when I would have agreed w/you.

Forzaitalia

Mar 15, 2:09pm

Or go to the NBA and develop strength and shooting…

ochobeeguy

Mar 14, 10:54pm

Hall needs to start in the tourney. It's win or go home. The time for development is over.

Crazy Joe Davola

Mar 14, 7:56pm

Amen, amen, and amen

fan32

Mar 14, 8:10pm

I agree that hall needs to play more but I'm fine if we keep starting Egor and

gmj81

Mar 14, 10:12pm

These takes are bad. He is projected top 10 pick. He is the best passer per Fran

gp232

Mar 14, 7:56pm

Also per Franschilla he gets pushed around, isn't a great shooter & can't handle

Forzaitalia

Mar 14, 8:05pm

All things he will improve on in the pros. He’s 19 playing a completely style of

gp232

Mar 14, 8:23pm

Fran is wrong. Demin's not even first round anymore. Demin will stay.

Threw and Through

Mar 14, 8:08pm

Wrong on all three accounts. He’s a top-20 pick regardless

arcawley

Mar 14, 8:10pm

He literally said during the game he is years away from anything

1manwolfpack

Mar 14, 8:11pm

Yeah, Fran is wrong on all three accounts. Throwing a few good passes per game

Threw and Through

Mar 14, 8:20pm

NBA PG’s college PPG

arcawley

Mar 14, 8:26pm

So, you're saying you know more than Fran? What are your credentials?

CLCougar

Mar 14, 8:19pm

Yes, I think my credentials on this particular question are better than Fran's.

Threw and Through

Mar 14, 8:30pm

He is one of the top guys on European players. He knows everyone.

gp232

Mar 14, 8:39pm

Why aren't you out there making the big $$ with your superior knowledge then? This sounds Uncle Rico-ish

CLCougar

Mar 14, 8:41pm

T&T that’s a clown post bro! Sorry CLCougar

gp232

Mar 14, 8:50pm

Bro, I wasn't challenging your creds, I was challenging T & T's. Are you saying T & T has creds

CLCougar

Mar 14, 8:55pm

My bad.

gp232

Mar 14, 8:56pm

Lol..I thought we were both defending Fran as superior to T & T then you came at me..all good

CLCougar

Mar 14, 8:58pm

I'm sure you know all about Uncle Rico, but you know nothing about me.

Threw and Through

Mar 14, 9:25pm

Incredible. You must be making the big bucks as an NBA scout, no?

Bluedarts

Mar 15, 12:06am

and Fran says he needs to develop, he is not ready for the NBA

Count Cougar

Mar 14, 9:32pm

Season averages: 5.5 assist per game, 3.0 turnovers per game.

Beest

Mar 14, 7:57pm

That's a terrible ratio. Ugh.

Crazy Joe Davola

Mar 14, 7:59pm

His dimes are not usual dimes, though. They're mercilessly good.

SinkingQuffa

Mar 14, 8:02pm

Hot take: Nobody turns on a player faster than BYU fans after a loss.

Ungoy

Mar 14, 8:02pm

Nah I've had this in me for a while now

Yorpits8me

Mar 14, 8:09pm

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Ungoy

Mar 14, 8:16pm

Couldn't wait to get it out there huh? Go back to yewtfans.net.

dfudge

Mar 14, 9:15pm

How noble and brave of you

Bluedarts

Mar 15, 12:06am

RE: How noble and brave of you

Yorpits8me

Mar 15, 2:04pm

Cool take: Kevin Young is playing Demin less for a reason. His good passes are

Threw and Through

Mar 14, 8:15pm

Nobody is turning on Egor. 2 things can be true at the same time: great

Forzaitalia

Mar 14, 8:21pm

Fans on here don’t seem to be lol

arcawley

Mar 14, 8:27pm

Yeah, go back and count all the posts that says he sucks. There are a lot.

Bluedarts

Mar 15, 12:07am

Thanks for reminding me immediately why you should never go on CB after a loss

Clark Addison

Mar 14, 8:04pm

You're welcome. Also, this has been on my mind for a bit. Even if we somehow

Yorpits8me

Mar 14, 8:10pm

lol. so you didn't have the guts to post it then and had to wait through the greatest 9 game stretch in the history

Clark Addison

Mar 14, 8:33pm

As a freshman he’s been great

dixdog

Mar 14, 8:05pm

He's played like a FR when everyone expected him to dominate

Mitty

Mar 14, 8:12pm

I’ve been thinking the same all season TBH.

byuballstothewall

Mar 14, 8:17pm

Not hot take. Dallin is better in every facet of the game. Passing is probs same

BigBoyCoug

Mar 14, 8:18pm

OK coach.

StantonMac

Mar 14, 8:21pm

This is a perfectly controversial post

DreamerCoug

Mar 14, 8:22pm

When he is man-handled, he's not that great because he is still a young man,

Archaea

Mar 14, 8:25pm

This is the coldest hot take of the last 3 months. Loads here have been saying

CougaRR4L

Mar 14, 8:29pm

Demin has been very good. True he has struggled against certain teams

boorad

Mar 14, 8:30pm

It’s so funny when people on cougar board out themselves as idiots

KYU

Mar 14, 8:41pm

Big12 honorable mention and Frosh team, 1st round pick projection on every single draft board, freshman assist record.

LoyalToRoyal

Mar 14, 8:52pm

I guess you're right. We need you as our head coach. KY must not know what he's

AlexKnight

Mar 14, 9:32pm

You, my friend know nothing about basketball, nothing

coot20

Mar 14, 9:47pm

He's an elite rim finisher who doesn't often try to drive to the rim.

dYrtbYkerYder

Mar 14, 10:08pm

These last two games the gameplan pretty much forbade that, I think.

SinkingQuffa

Mar 15, 12:23am

Man get this crap off the front page

EarlSpeak

Mar 14, 10:09pm

Couldn’t agree more…wasted NIL money to be sure. Need an elite point guard

SoggyBB

Mar 14, 10:45pm

Your argument(s) would have more validity if your subject line was more correct.

BYUHgrad

Mar 14, 10:48pm

He is also an 18yr old true freshman that hasn't played in a much more physical US league.

TheLoneCougar

Mar 14, 11:02pm

He doesn’t pressure the defense when he has the ball. Very lax at top of key

jpal1397

Mar 15, 12:07am

Everyone who gave this POTD can go shove it. Unreal.

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