Kurtz, or others in B12/national media who fluff up BYU for engagement. I think it’s a testament to the strength and influence of our fanbase. Neither of these guys are big shots in the media, but regardless they have followings that are definitely not exclusive to Y fans. The more other fanbases hear the positives of BYU, the better. BYU is very much like the church itself; the more actual exposure it gets, the more people like it. Over the years this kind of goodwill pays dividends.