And I definitely mean eliminating the "So-and-so is terrible" stuff rather ...

Sep 18, 2023
12:09:43pm

Coop All-American

... than the "So-and-so is struggling" stuff, but the line between the two can be hard to judge, especially in the heat of the moment, and is somewhat subjective as well, so erring on the side of caution is wise.

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Etienne - what are they thinking?

The Y's Insider

9/18/23 9:06am

Love this thinking. But will anyone give Funk credit if he pans out?

LegitCoug

9/18/23 9:08am

Whew, I read "...will anyone give a...." – and had to go back and reread.

Benfica1

9/18/23 9:10am

RE: Whew, I read "...will anyone give a...." – and had to go back and

LegitCoug

9/18/23 9:27am

RE: Whew, I read "...will anyone give a...." – and had to go back and

Lalau

9/18/23 8:48pm

I will, and I've been a Funk critic. I hope he succeeds.

runnincoug

9/18/23 9:32am

Same boat, I'd love to be wrong about Funk

stansburycoug

9/18/23 10:28am

Yes. I want Funk to succeed mostly

pappabear246

9/18/23 11:45am

Funk's had a pretty long career. If he was going to "pan out" he would've by now

UberDeek

9/18/23 12:49pm

I think many CBers have a problem with his low effort on plays.

Mostlyaccurate

9/18/23 9:09am

Be like Kingsley, who either leads or is close behind the runner on long runs,

LeGrandBleu

9/18/23 9:11am

Very impressed to see Kingsley going down the field on long runs. Extra effort.

bruincoug

9/18/23 9:15am

Hopefully it's a matter of overthinking. Cuz he sure looks disinterested.

SinkingQuffa

9/18/23 9:11am

He started 11 games at OK St.

The Y's Insider

9/18/23 9:13am

I know. Don't you find that shocking given what we've seen?

SinkingQuffa

9/18/23 9:14am

IDK, they nearly got shutout by South Alabama this weekend

icecougar

9/18/23 9:18am

True, true. Gundy is a long ways from 40, & it's showing maybe.

SinkingQuffa

9/18/23 9:20am

Mike Gundy must be an idiot.

The Y's Insider

9/18/23 9:18am

He definitely passes the Polaroid, I'll give'm that.

SinkingQuffa

9/18/23 9:21am

What do you mean?

LDTemplar

9/18/23 12:02pm

Mike Gundy did say Caleb got beat out of his starting role this spring

Mostlyaccurate

9/18/23 9:23am

And he graded out poor for those 11 games.

TheLost

9/18/23 10:50am

Played for his size? Or poor depth? Just because someone is a starter I doesn't mean they are great at their position.

Yllage Vidiot

9/18/23 10:59am

I agree with that.

The Y's Insider

9/18/23 9:12am

It's that last bit there that says it all - it never does any good to dump on

Ice King

9/18/23 10:07am

Yep, tired of watching him stand around.

Mitty

9/18/23 11:16am

I watched one play where Sloivs rolled out. Etinne hit the guy once then started

scott715

9/18/23 11:49am

That would be great. Pulling for him.

Division Bell

9/18/23 9:09am

I would really like to see CB stop calling out specific players in genpop

Coop

9/18/23 9:10am

So legit takes are only “legit” if discussed in private? What the?

BlueDiver

9/18/23 9:28am

It has nothing to do with legitimacy

Coop

9/18/23 9:43am

Correct. It’s about trying to control who should and shouldn’t be able to

BlueDiver

9/18/23 9:46am

It sounds to me like your issue is with the FO part of this and not the ...

Coop

9/18/23 9:51am

No, not really. I agree that we shouldn't "trash" players, but what does that

BlueDiver

9/18/23 11:14am

Given the number of recruits that read CB, I'd say that we should at least try

Pasadena

9/18/23 11:37am

And I definitely mean eliminating the "So-and-so is terrible" stuff rather ...

Coop

9/18/23 12:09pm

I think this is a very reasonable take . . . I wish you had led with it.

BlueDiver

9/18/23 12:17pm

Disagree. Honest criticism shouldn't be held back. Insulting the players

BYUHgrad

9/18/23 11:05am

Here is my issue with that - the majority of posters here are not really that

crack

9/18/23 11:40am

I see no problem with that viewpoint/opinion. I just have a different opinion.

BYUHgrad

9/18/23 11:55am

I am probably just a little more sensitive about it than others because I see it

crack

9/18/23 11:57am

Based on your post, I don't get why coaches don't play best available

MajorZeus

9/18/23 9:10am

Maybe in their evaluation the next man up is a lot further behind? I don't know...

TheLoneCougar

9/18/23 9:13am

Next man up has been obviously better

vegas guey

9/18/23 9:20am

I haven't seen the PFF grades on Keim, but I can't imagine he is nearly as bad as Etienne. Just trying to think what

TheLoneCougar

9/18/23 10:38am

Because certain players could be the best player later in the season if they

Lance71

9/18/23 10:08am

they need to make him mean...

CougarBuddy

9/18/23 9:10am

He's just not getting it and now it's pretty obvious...

Coug

9/18/23 9:11am

I think maybe there's some fatigue from fans with obvious weaknesses and slow

Ironhide

9/18/23 9:13am

My concern is for the kid he’s starting over. Clearly someone better

Vert der Frick

9/18/23 9:18am

I’d be interested to see him tried as a guard (or even defensive tackle).

Bandit

9/18/23 9:24am

Definitely don’t think he has the burst or aggression for DT. OG might be a

Banjo

9/18/23 9:30am

I like him at guard too. I know Ben Criddle has suggested this before too.

Little Mac

9/18/23 1:06pm

No offense but if what you are saying is true that isn't fair to him, the team,

kimdaddy35

9/18/23 9:32am

FWIW Hans siad he thought this was Etienne's best game...sees great improvement

TaysomJimmerEraCoug

9/18/23 9:58am

I think after watching again he will change his opinion.

molodyets

9/18/23 10:08am

A reassuring point of view - there is method to what looked like madness

Ice King

9/18/23 10:04am

RE: Etienne - what are they thinking?

Threw and Through

9/18/23 10:21am

Is there anywhere where fans can see how he graded out vs Arkansas?

AF_Puma

9/18/23 10:23am

So if slovis was your son, would you want to risk caleb playing

claw

9/18/23 10:24am

CB doesn’t need Etienne as a whipping boy

deliciousmocha

9/18/23 10:25am

I've never heard this about him. I assumed he was a ready starter since

LifeLongLakerFan

9/18/23 10:27am

Any and every OK state fan would also say that he didn't get good

DataMouth

9/18/23 10:34am

Well thought out. I want the kid to succeed. BYU needs to become a destination

EDthoracotomy

9/18/23 10:36am

Of course, but not at the expense of wins and teammates

vegas guey

9/18/23 11:13am

15 more starts and he'll be ready I guess. If you can't get better in practice

Cougsanity

9/18/23 10:38am

The run game didn't get any better in the second half after he was pulled.

BYURider

9/18/23 10:44am

Most teams don't start a project over a better (experienced) player.

TheLost

9/18/23 10:54am

Great fan response! Love this attitude over the vocal negativity group

blueshorts

9/18/23 11:02am

Smartest thing Etienne can do is not listen to the noise and focus on his craft

Heath Squashwell

9/18/23 11:13am

RE: Etienne - what are they thinking?

lucfish

9/18/23 11:38am

Haven’t said on Moore

I'mBatman

9/18/23 11:57am

Agreed! Go back and look at Martin's TD run. Doesn't happen without

AzCugrFan

9/18/23 12:00pm

He definitely doesn’t deserve to be the whipping boy but development

Your Royal Blueness

9/18/23 12:19pm

There was one play where Etienne shoved 2 defenders away from Slovis, but..

DCCougFan

9/18/23 12:43pm

He’s lazy. Gives up on plays. That’s enough.

YOHONOMOTO

9/18/23 1:25pm

Not enough to give the start to a guy who grades out better and has waited his turn for 3 years.

TheLost

9/18/23 1:37pm

I’m saying that’s all I need to know to pull him.

YOHONOMOTO

9/18/23 1:45pm

This isn’t the usual CB whipping boy - his issues thus far are obvious, even for casual fans.

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