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Mar 16, 2012
5:50:52pm
2 way and 4 way stops -- confusion reigns
I travel through several 2 and 4-way stops daily and I'm surprised at how many people are directing traffic from their cars (pointing at others to go/stop). I have heard many complaints about these intersections by others in my neighborhood. It seems we all don't know how to drive when we reach an intersection with other cars waiting.

So, in the interest of trying to figure this out, I'd like CB to try and answer this question/scenario for me.

2-way stop scenario (although this could easily be morphed into a 4-way stop scenario as well):

North and south-bound traffic have no stop signs across an intersection.
East and west-bound traffic have stop signs.

Car A arrives at the intersection going east. He wants to turn left to head north. However, he must wait for traffic to clear before turning. Car A is waiting for 30 seconds while traffic continues flowing when Car B arrives going west on the other side of the intersection. He intends to cross the intersection and continue west. Someone has to yield eventually.

For sake of argument say that both cars are stopped and must wait 30 more seconds while traffic clears before they can proceed.

When the traffic clears and Cars A and B begin to move (A to turn left, and B to go straight across), who has right of way?

Car A. He arrived first, therefore, he will turn left and Car B must yield. It doesn't matter that cars passed in between them, or that an hour went by before he could move -- A goes first because he got there first.
Car B. He is going straight through the intersection, therefore, Car A must yield until he passes. Simple rule: left-turn yields to on-coming traffic.

The question for me is really only for the State of Utah laws, because I know different states have different ROW laws.

Many, many people I talk to say Car A -- first there, first to go. However, what is the real answer in this case?

I found this Utah State laws for ROW:

http://law.justia.com/codes/utah/2010/title-41/chapter-06a/41-6a-902/

There is no "I got there first" law here on this site (if someone knows it, please point it out). However, it does say the following: "After having stopped at a stop sign, the operator of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle in the intersection or approaching on another roadway so closely as to constitute an immediate hazard."

I checked the driver handbook for Utah and didn't see a two-way or four-way scenario fitting my description in there.

Found here: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/dld/documents/Handbook2011withphoto.pdf

They talk about ROW for the car on the right and yielding to on coming traffic (PDF pg. 24, handbook pg. 16); but that's it. The scenarios on this are not flushed out which leads me to believe that perhaps both 'A' and 'B' have right of way and it is just a matter of who is bolder in the intersection or doesn't care if there is an accident.

When I went through drivers ed a million years ago, I distinctly remember being taught about the above scenario. Once cars pass by, the intersection resets and it is as if both cars arrived at the same time -- therefore, Car B has right of way and Car A must yield. However, there are so many people telling me I'm wrong I want to know what others think.
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