Several good points.

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May 19, 2024
8:46:39pm

Division Bell Recovering

Several good points.

I would tend to counter that argument by saying that the type of person who fits that great profile is probably the same personality type to see the possibilities of striking out on their own with similar amounts of hard work and vision.

Or am I off on a tangent?

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Time

Goals

crazY

May 19, 4:50pm

This is the new philosophy driven by younger Millenials and Gen-Z. It's the anti-work crowd. How about

CSoul

May 19, 4:53pm

Also, if you want to earn more money and get more free time, the best way is to set goals at work and

CSoul

May 19, 4:56pm

I am neither a Millennial nor anti-work. I still think setting formal goals at work is dumb. Just get out of my way and

dilbert

May 19, 5:08pm

Lots of reasons. But goals help manage bonus and make it easier to fire you.

Baron

May 19, 5:13pm

I'm very confused by your response. The "results you need" and "within budget" ARE the formal goals

CSoul

May 19, 5:17pm

What’s a word to say “achieve a specific result by a certain time”?

molodyets

May 19, 5:27pm

Well, sure. But what problem where they trying to solve when they started asking me to make formal goals 4 or 5 years

dilbert

May 19, 5:48pm

Yeh, most people I know think taking things like OKRs down to individual levels (for most roles) is stupid

CSoul

May 19, 5:56pm

I agree with you on that. Some orgs and roles goals are really difficult to set.

Baron

May 19, 6:01pm

When I was an engineer at Intel, our "goals" were determined by the finance guys

tony

May 20, 7:51am

I ask my employees to set goals so that I know what I can do to put them in a position to succeed at things they want

May 19, 6:02pm

I tell my team, happy to help you with any goal, including advancing to another

NYC and Japan

May 19, 8:38pm

I wonder if some of the disconnect is that the onus is on the manager for goals

MarylandFan

May 19, 6:00pm

Boomer here.

May 19, 7:13pm

Except for one thing - organizational alignment. If the CEO has a vision

Joe

May 19, 7:58pm

Several good points.

May 19, 8:46pm

I think that’s true, the successful entrepreneurs I know are all self

Joe

May 19, 9:28pm

I’d say 95% of our goals set at work led to no follow up.

Lefty24

May 20, 10:05am

It’s not just the youngins

Odysseus

May 19, 5:00pm

True

CSoul

May 19, 5:02pm

The goals that HR makes me set every year do absolutely nothing. I’m not paid a

LeonMarek

May 19, 5:06pm

A good company doesn't have HR set goals with you. Your goals should be the results you need

CSoul

May 19, 5:14pm

Every company I have worked for has HR lead and submitted yearly goals that i

LeonMarek

May 19, 5:19pm

We set goals with direct managers and it's not put down, known, or tracked by HR.

CSoul

May 19, 5:21pm

HR leads the goal setting process but it set by team and decided by team but they are the org

Baron

May 19, 5:24pm

I think it's more typical of bigger and older companies for HR to do it. So I guess I agree with the people

CSoul

May 19, 5:28pm

Fair

LeonMarek

May 19, 5:32pm

I have found the opposite. And maybe we are talking past each other

Baron

May 19, 5:41pm

Ok, that's closer to what we do. Yes HR helps standardize. Yes they do training, yes they have access

CSoul

May 19, 5:47pm

Someone finally recognized that HR is overhead, huh?

Les IsMore

May 19, 6:28pm

I'm sure there are ways to go about that process that are more productive than others.

dilbert

May 19, 5:51pm

Same. HR set the timelines and provides a process, but goals are set with direct

NYC and Japan

May 19, 8:42pm

I think that's what the OP is about. Bad corporate culture.

MarylandFan

May 19, 6:04pm

HR sets DEI goals for me every year. I guess they figure no one would

Longseason

May 19, 5:52pm

I'd tell them that they can stick their dei goals where the sun don't shine.

Les IsMore

May 19, 5:57pm

I'm a burned out gen Xer who feels the same way

Belboz

May 19, 5:27pm

Read my reply to Baron above. Some of this I think has to do with your experience and company structure

CSoul

May 19, 5:29pm

My goal is to not be asked to do anything today that I didn't do yesterday

Belboz

May 19, 5:32pm

Housing and school prices are devastating now. Less focus on work isn’t why they

marinact

May 19, 5:39pm

I answered that question. I didn't say spend more time at work. And yes, not being satisfied at work is absolutely

CSoul

May 19, 5:49pm

I waste more time by a mile setting goals than reading CB

ochobeeguy

May 19, 5:43pm

That would suck

CSoul

May 19, 5:49pm

lol. This has always been the most common “goal” at work for hundreds of

valleus

May 19, 6:25pm

Much better to just show up and try to look busy. Yeah, that's how to maximize

Forzaitalia

May 19, 8:40pm

Imagine if sports teams didn't have goals, like make the NCAAs, become bowl eli-

Forzaitalia

May 20, 11:07am

You spend too much time and energy at work for that to be satisfying

May 19, 5:10pm

That's not all wrong.

Plantagenet

May 19, 5:15pm

Yuck. I can't imagine working and not having goals to chase to keep it

BYUfan92

May 19, 5:20pm

I don't want work to be a challenge

Belboz

May 19, 5:31pm

As a retired computer scientist I long ago found that work goals are meaningless

Les IsMore

May 19, 6:23pm

I think you just wrote my story.

Belboz

May 19, 7:19pm

Depends on the job. In some roles, you don't have a lot of goals you can really chase.

Baron

May 19, 5:44pm

Agreed, and one of the reasons I like being self-employed

BYUfan92

May 19, 6:45pm

Surely there’s a middle ground. I think people who give their life to their

macdizzle

May 19, 5:30pm

Being self-employed, goals are essential. But there is also nothing fake about

Moto2001

May 19, 5:40pm

This is the same type of person

208to615Coug

May 19, 5:42pm

I’m this type of person, and I don’t do any of the things you say

LeonMarek

May 19, 5:50pm

My goal with HR goals is to spend as little time on them as possible.

May 19, 6:16pm

What's HR doing setting your goals? That's your boss' job.

Forzaitalia

May 19, 9:45pm

how awful that a business actually wants you to improve so they can survive,

bald man

May 20, 4:59am

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