Winder?? I liked Lyday but that was 2001. Whiting was also great but not nearly

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Jan 10, 2024
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Winder?? I liked Lyday but that was 2001. Whiting was also great but not nearly

as strong as Dallin. He may have held up in the big 12 but not sure. So yes he is not Jimmer or Lyday but better than any PG besides Jimmer the last 20 years but he is terrible? Carlino was athletic enough but was way too erratic.

Mike hall wasn't a point guard or even a ball handler. Good athlete. Maybe that was a troll

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Needed for next year

Archaea

Jan 10, 9:20pm

Who's on your radar?

Dark Forest Green

Jan 10, 9:22pm

Let's see if we can get Cooper Flagg to transfer

spidercoug

Jan 10, 9:23pm

He could work out

Archaea

Jan 10, 9:25pm

Whoa...the favorite to be the No. 1 pick in the 2025 NBA Draft. This guy must be

Jan 10, 9:59pm

PJ Haggerty, Sebastian Thomas, KK Robinson and

Archaea

Jan 10, 9:28pm

Baker, Chandler, Davis

Cooouuugs

Jan 10, 9:29pm

And Adams

LifeLongLakerFan

Jan 10, 9:32pm

As much as this year team has been fun, next year could be even better. Depends

gp232

Jan 10, 9:39pm

So what’s the latest on Adams?

UMWolverine

Jan 10, 9:52pm

Still injured and not fit

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:07pm

Not sold on Baker in athleticism department

Archaea

Jan 10, 9:36pm

Baker is great with the ball and can score.

Idacoug

Jan 10, 9:51pm

How would we know that. UCI did not play Big 12 competition generally.

Cougarbib

Jan 11, 2:00am

He scored 17 in a game vs USC and 27 pts vs Oregon…

icecougar

Jan 12, 12:21am

It is small and it is not vs a grind with teams that will be playing you for

Cougarbib

Jan 12, 6:35am

Athleticism is different than knowing how to create space / score. His 1st step

gp232

Jan 10, 10:01pm

But someone with equal vision and superior athleticism

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:04pm

Yeah B12 full of those guards

Cooouuugs

Jan 12, 6:53am

You probably were not sold on Eli Bryant's athleticism the year he played hurt. Baker is going to be one of BYU's best.

roseyscenario

Jan 10, 10:08pm

No, I was always a proponent of his

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:09pm

He was not sloppy, he was hurt. Baker is every bit what Eli was, which was BYU's best player. Baker is a complete player

roseyscenario

Jan 10, 10:15pm

But you are wrong in that I was a big fan of Elijah.

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:17pm

Eli was never a sloppy player as you said. The athletic label has become a meaningless description. Baker is first rate.

roseyscenario

Jan 10, 10:33pm

He had some bad shooting nights and TOs

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:34pm

He played hurt. His TO rate was lower that year than his senior year. Everyone in program knew he was great.

roseyscenario

Jan 10, 10:38pm

He didn’t play his senior year. He transferred from Elon

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:41pm

Redshirted so he graduated. You posted some 15 times dissing Eli the year he was hurt. Here's one calling him over hyped

roseyscenario

Jan 10, 10:52pm

He didn’t play his fourth year of college.

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:59pm

We agree on that as I said in my previous post. Clerical error. I meant his second year at BYU.

roseyscenario

Jan 10, 11:06pm

Players progress over time and yes, injuries matter.

Cougarbib

Jan 11, 2:03am

He has plenty of athleticism. He's quicker than Hall, not as quick as Stewart

LifeLongLakerFan

Jan 11, 10:25am

And shoots 3’s at a 40% clip

UMWolverine

Jan 10, 9:51pm

Short memory, Tejon Lucas, Williams, Avarate or Hall. They were all quicker but

johnnybyu

Jan 10, 10:05pm

He is not a Big XII level PG.

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:07pm

He is a sophomore and has held his own. He is going to be the team leader for

johnnybyu

Jan 10, 10:09pm

He doesn’t shoot FTs well and not fast enough

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:10pm

I didn't think he was fast enough last year but he has been this year.

johnnybyu

Jan 10, 10:12pm

He could be serviceable if

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:14pm

Wrong. Don’t be angry when Pope goes and signs a legit B12 PG. there is a reason

gp232

Jan 10, 10:15pm

Precisely.

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:16pm

Don't be angry when said point guard backs up Hall like Williams did last year

johnnybyu

Jan 10, 10:17pm

Chandler may be tried out at PG

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:18pm

Literally zero chance next year. First he was not a PG in high school, so not

Bluforever

Jan 10, 10:24pm

We need length and quickness to play in Big XII.

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:32pm

Well we will need to go the “length and quickness” store and order some. Recall

Cougarbib

Jan 11, 2:06am

Funny. Hall is a score first, I’m the guy PG, exactly won’t we don’t need.

gp232

Jan 10, 10:25pm

Have you watched a game besides Cincinatti? Yes he shot way to many shots that

johnnybyu

Jan 10, 10:32pm

He plays hero ball a lot.

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:33pm

Archaea knows what he’s talking about

CCookie

Jan 10, 10:50pm

1000% Agreed! Signed #21 Creighton, #22 SMC, #17 SDSU and Missouri St

icecougar

Jan 12, 12:42am

Every game. More and more CBers are starting to see it. I’m guessing you are

gp232

Jan 10, 10:44pm

He could be a useful backup if he played smart

Archaea

Jan 10, 10:47pm

Do u think players might progress with experience? I agree that Hall is unlikely

Cougarbib

Jan 11, 2:14am

You are so smart not living in Utah

stoils

Jan 10, 11:05pm

It is just a lack of provincialism

Archaea

Jan 10, 11:11pm

So you are telling me Dallin Hall isn't Jimmer or Ainge? You don't say? Which

johnnybyu

Jan 10, 11:13pm

He is not Lydell or even Anson Winder

Archaea

Jan 10, 11:15pm

Winder?? I liked Lyday but that was 2001. Whiting was also great but not nearly

johnnybyu

Jan 10, 11:18pm

He is inadequate for BYu’s task ahead.

Archaea

Jan 10, 11:21pm

He is not as good as Bryant's junior year at BYU agreed. But better than his sop

johnnybyu

Jan 10, 11:24pm

As someone emphasized above Elijah played hurt that year

Archaea

Jan 10, 11:37pm

He was injured but Bryant didn't have the handles to be a big 12 pg. He was a

johnnybyu

Jan 10, 11:40pm

Bryant was a scorer - not a point guard.

Cougarbib

Jan 11, 2:19am

His ball-handling is easily better than all four of those guys. Whiting included (whose handles were poor for a PG).

SinkingQuffa

Jan 10, 11:38pm

Anson Winder, LoL. There is an example right there of a guy that took a while

Cougarbib

Jan 11, 2:17am

After this comment I fully understand you are trolling

stoils

Jan 11, 7:24am

TJ is pretty under rated as was E. Bryant. Don’t mean to bag on Hall at all but

ledfoot

Jan 10, 11:43pm

TJ was great but would have been broken in half and Bryant didn't have great

johnnybyu

Jan 10, 11:49pm

I think TJ was pretty over-rated by much of our fanbase. He was very good, but had plenty of weaknesses to exploit.

SinkingQuffa

Jan 10, 11:52pm

Not a TJ “fan boy” at all but he won me over his last couple years. We’ll see

ledfoot

Jan 10, 11:56pm

Like I said, TJ was very good — as both a player & PG. He had a lot of up-n-downs in his career

SinkingQuffa

Jan 12, 1:24am

At least TJ was a point guard. Elijah was not.

Cougarbib

Jan 11, 2:21am

You are correct from the state of Utah. Plenty of really good Freshman

gp232

Jan 10, 11:39pm

Elijah at point? And u keep belittling guys as not being Big 12 Calibur while

Cougarbib

Jan 11, 2:09am

Elijah has played pro ball. Hall will not.

Archaea

Jan 11, 3:00pm

Point guard? Why do you continue to compare peaches to plums?

Cougarbib

Jan 11, 4:04pm

He handled the ball a lot and PG is a bit of a misnomer

Archaea

Jan 11, 9:41pm

If PG was a misnomer, we would not be having this discussion. We have a ton of

Cougarbib

Jan 12, 6:40am

I think Hall could be that guy

gurt

Jan 10, 11:45pm

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