I think maybe there's some fatigue from fans with obvious weaknesses and slow

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Sep 18, 2023
9:13:34am

Ironhide All-American

I think maybe there's some fatigue from fans with obvious weaknesses and slow

Reaction with changes. Call it the Tuiaki affect. I can understand the frustration given BYU doesn't have much margin for error in winning games.

I hope he does well too but if it's not happening the team and fans need to see the coaches do something about it which they finally did on Saturday. I would argue the coaches lost the team last year, at least on defense, due to a lack of obvious changes.

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Etienne - what are they thinking?

The Y's Insider

9/18/23 9:06am

Love this thinking. But will anyone give Funk credit if he pans out?

LegitCoug

9/18/23 9:08am

Whew, I read "...will anyone give a...." – and had to go back and reread.

Benfica1

9/18/23 9:10am

RE: Whew, I read "...will anyone give a...." – and had to go back and

LegitCoug

9/18/23 9:27am

RE: Whew, I read "...will anyone give a...." – and had to go back and

Lalau

9/18/23 8:48pm

I will, and I've been a Funk critic. I hope he succeeds.

runnincoug

9/18/23 9:32am

Same boat, I'd love to be wrong about Funk

stansburycoug

9/18/23 10:28am

Yes. I want Funk to succeed mostly

pappabear246

9/18/23 11:45am

Funk's had a pretty long career. If he was going to "pan out" he would've by now

UberDeek

9/18/23 12:49pm

I think many CBers have a problem with his low effort on plays.

9/18/23 9:09am

Be like Kingsley, who either leads or is close behind the runner on long runs,

LeGrandBleu

9/18/23 9:11am

Very impressed to see Kingsley going down the field on long runs. Extra effort.

bruincoug

9/18/23 9:15am

Hopefully it's a matter of overthinking. Cuz he sure looks disinterested.

SinkingQuffa

9/18/23 9:11am

He started 11 games at OK St.

The Y's Insider

9/18/23 9:13am

I know. Don't you find that shocking given what we've seen?

SinkingQuffa

9/18/23 9:14am

IDK, they nearly got shutout by South Alabama this weekend

icecougar

9/18/23 9:18am

True, true. Gundy is a long ways from 40, & it's showing maybe.

SinkingQuffa

9/18/23 9:20am

Mike Gundy must be an idiot.

The Y's Insider

9/18/23 9:18am

He definitely passes the Polaroid, I'll give'm that.

SinkingQuffa

9/18/23 9:21am

What do you mean?

LDTemplar

9/18/23 12:02pm

Mike Gundy did say Caleb got beat out of his starting role this spring

9/18/23 9:23am

And he graded out poor for those 11 games.

TheLost

9/18/23 10:50am

Played for his size? Or poor depth? Just because someone is a starter I doesn't mean they are great at their position.

9/18/23 10:59am

I agree with that.

The Y's Insider

9/18/23 9:12am

It's that last bit there that says it all - it never does any good to dump on

Ice King

9/18/23 10:07am

Yep, tired of watching him stand around.

Mitty

9/18/23 11:16am

I watched one play where Sloivs rolled out. Etinne hit the guy once then started

scott715

9/18/23 11:49am

That would be great. Pulling for him.

9/18/23 9:09am

I would really like to see CB stop calling out specific players in genpop

Coop

9/18/23 9:10am

So legit takes are only “legit” if discussed in private? What the?

BlueDiver

9/18/23 9:28am

It has nothing to do with legitimacy

Coop

9/18/23 9:43am

Correct. It’s about trying to control who should and shouldn’t be able to

BlueDiver

9/18/23 9:46am

It sounds to me like your issue is with the FO part of this and not the ...

Coop

9/18/23 9:51am

No, not really. I agree that we shouldn't "trash" players, but what does that

BlueDiver

9/18/23 11:14am

Given the number of recruits that read CB, I'd say that we should at least try

Pasadena

9/18/23 11:37am

And I definitely mean eliminating the "So-and-so is terrible" stuff rather ...

Coop

9/18/23 12:09pm

I think this is a very reasonable take . . . I wish you had led with it.

BlueDiver

9/18/23 12:17pm

Disagree. Honest criticism shouldn't be held back. Insulting the players

BYUHgrad

9/18/23 11:05am

Here is my issue with that - the majority of posters here are not really that

crack

9/18/23 11:40am

I see no problem with that viewpoint/opinion. I just have a different opinion.

BYUHgrad

9/18/23 11:55am

I am probably just a little more sensitive about it than others because I see it

crack

9/18/23 11:57am

Based on your post, I don't get why coaches don't play best available

MajorZeus

9/18/23 9:10am

Maybe in their evaluation the next man up is a lot further behind? I don't know...

9/18/23 9:13am

Next man up has been obviously better

vegas guey

9/18/23 9:20am

I haven't seen the PFF grades on Keim, but I can't imagine he is nearly as bad as Etienne. Just trying to think what

9/18/23 10:38am

Because certain players could be the best player later in the season if they

Lance71

9/18/23 10:08am

they need to make him mean...

CougarBuddy

9/18/23 9:10am

He's just not getting it and now it's pretty obvious...

Coug

9/18/23 9:11am

I think maybe there's some fatigue from fans with obvious weaknesses and slow

Ironhide

9/18/23 9:13am

My concern is for the kid he’s starting over. Clearly someone better

9/18/23 9:18am

I’d be interested to see him tried as a guard (or even defensive tackle).

Bandit

9/18/23 9:24am

Definitely don’t think he has the burst or aggression for DT. OG might be a

Banjo

9/18/23 9:30am

I like him at guard too. I know Ben Criddle has suggested this before too.

Little Mac

9/18/23 1:06pm

No offense but if what you are saying is true that isn't fair to him, the team,

kimdaddy35

9/18/23 9:32am

FWIW Hans siad he thought this was Etienne's best game...sees great improvement

TaysomJimmerEraCoug

9/18/23 9:58am

I think after watching again he will change his opinion.

molodyets

9/18/23 10:08am

A reassuring point of view - there is method to what looked like madness

Ice King

9/18/23 10:04am

RE: Etienne - what are they thinking?

Threw and Through

9/18/23 10:21am

Is there anywhere where fans can see how he graded out vs Arkansas?

AF_Puma

9/18/23 10:23am

So if slovis was your son, would you want to risk caleb playing

claw

9/18/23 10:24am

CB doesn’t need Etienne as a whipping boy

9/18/23 10:25am

I've never heard this about him. I assumed he was a ready starter since

LifeLongLakerFan

9/18/23 10:27am

Any and every OK state fan would also say that he didn't get good

DataMouth

9/18/23 10:34am

Well thought out. I want the kid to succeed. BYU needs to become a destination

EDthoracotomy

9/18/23 10:36am

Of course, but not at the expense of wins and teammates

vegas guey

9/18/23 11:13am

15 more starts and he'll be ready I guess. If you can't get better in practice

Cougsanity

9/18/23 10:38am

The run game didn't get any better in the second half after he was pulled.

BYURider

9/18/23 10:44am

Most teams don't start a project over a better (experienced) player.

TheLost

9/18/23 10:54am

Great fan response! Love this attitude over the vocal negativity group

blueshorts

9/18/23 11:02am

Smartest thing Etienne can do is not listen to the noise and focus on his craft

Heath Squashwell

9/18/23 11:13am

RE: Etienne - what are they thinking?

lucfish

9/18/23 11:38am

Haven’t said on Moore

I'mBatman

9/18/23 11:57am

Agreed! Go back and look at Martin's TD run. Doesn't happen without

AzCugrFan

9/18/23 12:00pm

He definitely doesn’t deserve to be the whipping boy but development

Your Royal Blueness

9/18/23 12:19pm

There was one play where Etienne shoved 2 defenders away from Slovis, but..

DCCougFan

9/18/23 12:43pm

He’s lazy. Gives up on plays. That’s enough.

YOHONOMOTO

9/18/23 1:25pm

Not enough to give the start to a guy who grades out better and has waited his turn for 3 years.

TheLost

9/18/23 1:37pm

I’m saying that’s all I need to know to pull him.

YOHONOMOTO

9/18/23 1:45pm

That can't be coached.

DirtyWater

9/18/23 2:03pm

This isn’t the usual CB whipping boy - his issues thus far are obvious, even for casual fans.

cougXor

9/18/23 2:36pm

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