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Jun 6, 2023
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Digital Gangsta
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seriously, what a clown, lol. Hey Scratch, why don't you link to where you're
getting this information from on how these computer models work. Link us to which models you're looking at.
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Has any team ever received more praise/pub for back to back 4 loss seasons than
BamaCoug
6/6/23 12:21pm
No, nor higher AP end of season rankings.
SageOwl
6/6/23 12:25pm
This is what I can't understand--they lost 4 games, often to average teams, won
Incentivize
6/6/23 1:50pm
It's interesting that many voters care more who you beat than who you lost to
BamaCoug
6/6/23 2:43pm
I think it's a pendulum and it's swung that way as a result of the committee
krindorr
6/6/23 2:53pm
There's a disconnect on the Rose Bowls in particular
TFL
6/7/23 8:59pm
RE: There's a disconnect on the Rose Bowls in particular
Atmospheric_Cougar
6/7/23 9:51pm
Here's what you don't see. The Rose Bowl is just another bowl game tie in for the conf champ. It just so happens
Soupie
6/7/23 10:06pm
It's a big deal for a school like Utah. Huge. CFB is dominated by the concept of blue bloods and brand
TFL
6/8/23 12:13am
BYU went 10-3 overall, 5-0 vs the PAC, 1-0 vs UU, and was ranked lower in 2021?
Brandoblueblood
6/6/23 3:30pm
An average team going against the PAC 12
Ted Lasso
6/6/23 12:26pm
Yep look at us in 2021. Pac was easy - Sun belt and MWC not so much
johnnybyu
6/6/23 1:27pm
Heck, even BYU went 6-1 vs the PAC12 the last two years
Indy Coug
6/6/23 12:32pm
Did you know Utah is favored in Vegas by 10 points over Florida to start next season?
RdF3
6/6/23 12:32pm
Maybe they finally get that monkey off their back (no OOC P5 wins), UF stinketh
BamaCoug
6/6/23 12:34pm
It took an exceptionally bad SDSU team last year for Utah to finally get an FBS
BYUtka
6/6/23 12:39pm
They were favored at UF last year too
coug16
6/6/23 12:35pm
It's strange that the main computer rankings, which take all of that into
Scratch
6/6/23 12:39pm
The same bad/biased data is fed in, so of course the same bad/biased results
BYUtka
6/6/23 12:41pm
Huh? You mean biased data like game results? Game results are the antithesis
Scratch
6/6/23 12:47pm
Nope. I'm not referencing simple game results.
BYUtka
6/6/23 12:52pm
What do you think is going into those computer models? What is the biased data?
Scratch
6/6/23 12:54pm
Data that overrated PAC 12 wins, teams, etc. It's not that complicated.
BYUtka
6/6/23 1:43pm
Do you understand how data works? This is insane. The actual results go in and
Scratch
6/6/23 1:54pm
RE: Do you understand how data works? This is insane. The actual results go in
imdocrob
6/6/23 1:57pm
So the biases of the person inputting a score into a computer impact how the
Scratch
6/6/23 2:01pm
Are you taking crazy pills? This isn't that complicated.
BYUtka
6/6/23 2:03pm
But you can't explain how it's biased? Got it.
Scratch
6/6/23 2:07pm
It got biased at the beginning to help protect the P5 and maintain the current
BYUtka
6/6/23 2:11pm
No, they don't. Go find some interviews from Sagarin or Pomeroy or the other
Scratch
6/6/23 2:42pm
"Once the (biased) grid is in place, there is no (additional) bias."
BYUtka
6/6/23 2:47pm
No, the initial considerations and weights are completely removed because they
Scratch
6/6/23 3:03pm
RE: So the biases of the person inputting a score into a computer impact how the
imdocrob
6/6/23 2:05pm
We're not talking about pre-season rankings. We're talking about end-of-season
Scratch
6/6/23 2:06pm
We know. That is absolutely what we are talking about.
BYUtka
6/6/23 2:11pm
You've already had it explained to you multiple times, so I'm guessing a 3rd
Digital Gangsta
6/6/23 2:11pm
And why don't you post some of these unbiased computer rankings results
Digital Gangsta
6/6/23 2:21pm
RE: And why don't you post some of these unbiased computer rankings results
imdocrob
6/6/23 2:29pm
RE: And why don't you post some of these unbiased computer rankings results
imdocrob
6/6/23 2:31pm
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imdocrob
6/6/23 2:39pm
Here's the most well-respected one, Sagarin:
Scratch
6/6/23 2:43pm
Here's Massey, one of the other most respected, with Utah at 11.
Scratch
6/6/23 2:46pm
So they only put in W-L with attached score? So the computer ranks a win over
BYUtka
6/6/23 2:02pm
No, they don't "weight" games from certain conferences. They put in the results
Scratch
6/6/23 2:12pm
Lol. Ok, now I know you are trolling.
BYUtka
6/6/23 2:23pm
seriously, what a clown, lol. Hey Scratch, why don't you link to where you're
Digital Gangsta
6/6/23 2:28pm
Here you go, enjoy the reading.
Scratch
6/6/23 3:02pm
Wow, pretty much what I expected. Please, now show where he claims that there's
Digital Gangsta
6/6/23 3:24pm
He says no such thing. The formulas it's based on are right there, and there is
Scratch
6/6/23 3:27pm
So after YOUR asserting a claim over and over and over about non
Digital Gangsta
6/6/23 3:30pm
even in a room full or yoots, you stand alone
Digital Gangsta
6/6/23 3:37pm
The inputs are included in pre-season and early season stuff because there are
Scratch
6/6/23 3:46pm
Here's another one from Massey:
Scratch
6/6/23 3:07pm
nope, that's not one either, sorry, did you even read the link you sent
Digital Gangsta
6/6/23 3:29pm
What are you talking about? Give me the exact link and quote.
Scratch
6/6/23 3:48pm
And how does the computer know how to analyze? It doesn't do that on its own.
Ungoy
6/6/23 4:55pm
They look at the results and analyze what happened on the field.
Scratch
6/6/23 6:55pm
Analyze how? How does the computer know how to analyze anything?
Ungoy
6/6/23 9:04pm
So the people behind the programming are lying?
Scratch
6/6/23 9:12pm
Lying??? Who said anything about lying? They are over valuing and weighting
BYUtka
6/6/23 9:21pm
Nope, they have said they don't do that. There is no weighting like that.
Scratch
6/6/23 10:48pm
They all just confirmed what I and everyone else has been trying to explain to
BYUtka
6/7/23 7:19am
Are you always this slow?
Ungoy
6/6/23 10:37pm
You know human pills are used in the computer rankings right?
ColonelMustard
6/6/23 4:52pm
No they’re not.
Scratch
6/6/23 6:55pm
Yes, they are. Beating a "ranked team" is more valuable to the algorithms.
BYUtka
6/6/23 8:57pm
Beating a good team I the internal computer metrics is what gives you a boost in
Scratch
6/6/23 9:14pm
What defines a "Good team." Is an undefeated The New Mexico State as good as an
BYUtka
6/6/23 9:18pm
Of course not. It would be based on the internal metrics of the computer program
Scratch
6/6/23 9:23pm
So it is "magic" that tells it's the SEC is better... Not programing. You are
BYUtka
6/6/23 9:36pm
Not how it works. SEC teams are, on average, rated higher because they have
Scratch
6/7/23 8:16pm
How different are the computers now than the bcs? Because the bcs computer
ColonelMustard
6/7/23 12:12pm
Right, it included human polls and computer rankings in its formula. The best
Scratch
6/7/23 12:23pm
Where did the computer rankings have TCU to begin the year? How'd that turn out?
Atmospheric_Cougar
6/6/23 12:58pm
What are you talking about? Im talking about end of season rankings that have
Scratch
6/6/23 1:04pm
My point is biased people and imperfect computer calcs. can both be wrong.
Atmospheric_Cougar
6/6/23 1:07pm
So every major computer analysis, that weighs and measures all games and how
Scratch
6/6/23 1:32pm
You are putting words in my mouth. Chill out. Imperfect does not equal bad.
Atmospheric_Cougar
6/6/23 3:59pm
This whole discussion involves bias. Not perfection or imperfection. That’s all
Scratch
6/6/23 4:41pm
Agreed
Atmospheric_Cougar
6/6/23 4:53pm
I don't actually know, but I assume PLAYING in a CCG game and Rose Bowl causes
moknowssports
6/6/23 5:50pm
"There are no 'quality' games. Ohio, The New Mexico State, Alabama... All the
BYUtka
6/6/23 6:41pm
The problem is they do good on paper, but not so much on the field unless playing PAC teams.
RealityCheck
6/6/23 1:29pm
On paper vs. on the field? What do you think the computer analyses are
Scratch
6/6/23 1:33pm
RE: On paper vs. on the field? What do you think the computer analyses are
imdocrob
6/6/23 1:53pm
The computer does what it is programmed to do, and it was programmed by people
BeardedBroker
6/6/23 2:12pm
But none of the programs do what people here are saying or implying they do,
Scratch
6/6/23 3:05pm
You know that how?
BeardedBroker
6/6/23 4:28pm
They influence each other. PAC is so incestuous, it's hard to know who's good.
Brandoblueblood
6/6/23 3:33pm
but yeah... there is no argument other than inflate Pac12 egos conspiracy
Strawhat4life
6/6/23 6:53pm
The PAC 12 South finished ranked behind the B1G 10 West. Yes, the B1G div. won by an 8-4 Purdue team
slatecoug
6/6/23 7:20pm
Can you remind me again who has the better winning % in PAC games over the last 2 years, BYU or Utah?
slatecoug
6/6/23 8:59pm
what does that have to do with anything? This thread is not about which team is
Strawhat4life
6/7/23 6:05am
It shows how ridiculous Utah getting all that praise just for beating PAC teams really is.
slatecoug
6/8/23 8:20pm
and a team that can't beat ANYBODY out of conference. It's crazy
runnincoug
6/6/23 12:45pm
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cougarmeister
6/6/23 1:50pm
The pac 12 has a sterling 3-9 record the past 2 yrs in bowl games as well.
ManicBlue
6/6/23 1:52pm
Yeah but the computers say Utah is amazing and top 10!!!
Atmospheric_Cougar
6/6/23 4:00pm
Utah beat the Heisman winner & the best team money can buy - twice.
ALUF 1990
6/6/23 2:33pm
RE: Utah beat the Heisman winner & the best team money can buy - twice.
imdocrob
6/6/23 2:41pm
Williams played nearly the entire game and threw 41 passes, but he was less
ALUF 1990
6/6/23 2:53pm
RE: Williams played nearly the entire game and threw 41 passes, but he was less
imdocrob
6/6/23 3:41pm
Most impressive wins of BYU Independence (by opponent CFP/AP/Sagarin rank, not by brand name)
krindorr
6/6/23 4:59pm
1 correction. That Tennessee Team was not bad. They went 8-5 that year and were 5-3 in SEC play.
slatecoug
6/6/23 8:58pm
Yeah, I put that as the most impressive win among the non-ranked group
krindorr
6/7/23 4:12am
Yewt fans: "We were playoff contenders the last two years! We almost won the
Digital Gangsta
6/7/23 2:13pm
Big12 >>>>> Pac12, shoot 2009 MWC >> 2023 PacX
Digital Gangsta
6/6/23 2:41pm
Was Oregon an MWC team? What does that make BYU? BYU vs USC would
ALUF 1990
6/6/23 2:55pm
No need to discuss woulda, I wouldn't say BYU vs USC was ugly, but we did win
Digital Gangsta
6/6/23 4:49pm
RE: Utah beat the Heisman winner & the best team money can buy - twice.
ManicBlue
6/6/23 3:19pm
Yawn
LaVellIfIKnow
6/6/23 3:22pm
Tulane also beat USC, should they be waiting for a call from the B1G?
cougarmeister
6/6/23 3:27pm
They are an AAU member so ... 🙂
ManicBlue
6/6/23 3:47pm
LOL, BYU went undefeated vs the PAC and beat Utah (conf. champ) the same year.
Atmospheric_Cougar
6/6/23 3:46pm
The usc team that lost to Tulane in the bowl. Not a great example to use
BYU '80
6/6/23 4:39pm
Ummm…we won the pac 12 title in 2021, not you guys.
Idacoug
6/6/23 4:54pm
We aren’t winning a big 12 title anytime soon but that’s because it’s way toughe
ColonelMustard
6/6/23 4:54pm
Everybody beat that team.
RealityCheck
6/6/23 6:02pm
This is some high quality smack right here. Truth brotha'.
DazeofBlue
6/6/23 4:10pm
RE: Has any team ever received more praise/pub for back to back 4 loss seasons
longtimeYfan
6/6/23 6:15pm
Key is winning high profile games on big stages, high MOVs and forgivable losses
TFL
6/6/23 8:02pm
Remind everyone again who has the better winning % in PAC games over the last 2 years, BYU or Utah?
slatecoug
6/6/23 8:27pm
Since Utah last won a P5 OOC game, BYU has notched road wins at Camp Randall and Rocky Top, both much more difficult
slatecoug
6/6/23 8:51pm
RE: Since Utah last won a P5 OOC game, BYU has notched road wins at Camp Randall
TUNUte
6/7/23 8:01pm
RE: Since Utah last won a P5 OOC game, BYU has notched road wins at Camp Randall
imdocrob
6/7/23 8:08pm
Please tell me anything noteworthy BYU has done since 1996
TUNUte
6/7/23 8:47pm
RE: Please tell me anything noteworthy BYU has done since 1996
imdocrob
6/7/23 9:05pm
RE: Please tell me anything noteworthy BYU has done since 1996
Atmospheric_Cougar
6/7/23 10:12pm
We definitely know beating a ranked Utah team 2 years ago wasn't noteworthy. Oh wait, that's 1 of the years Ute fans are
slatecoug
6/8/23 1:40pm
That or you could just point out the fact that we have
Atmospheric_Cougar
6/7/23 9:57pm
That's SCOREBOARD in a season that the Ute Fans can't stop telling everyone how great their football team was.
slatecoug
6/8/23 1:44pm
Ute fans. They beat their chest about an amazing year, and ignore the losses.
Atmospheric_Cougar
6/8/23 3:54pm
Kind of reminds you of losing to San Diego St.
slatecoug
6/8/23 1:35pm
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