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May 16, 2023
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I agree with this. Weighting market size 25% or more seems too high.
As a result, Rutgers is way too high.
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A (loose) ranking of teams by realignment value
krindorr
Truly Addicted User
5/16/23 8:15am
With all 4 categories weighted equally
krindorr
5/16/23 8:16am
Are you counting viewership from CCG and NY6 games?
jvquarterback
5/16/23 1:09pm
Regular season games only - no CCG or bowls or playoffs
krindorr
5/16/23 1:55pm
With those 4 factors weighted according to general importance
krindorr
5/16/23 8:17am
Great data. Thanks! TCU and Cal are examples of weird results that don’t
DirtyWater
5/16/23 8:23am
Yup, this is purely surface data so serves more as a launching point
krindorr
5/16/23 8:26am
Very interesting data. Florida state is an interesting outlier here, but likely
nolecoug
5/16/23 8:38am
Yeah, market size is WAY overweighted here, and those are good examples why. UH
Mitty
5/16/23 1:12pm
Tending to agree, here's a different weighting
krindorr
5/16/23 1:58pm
Thanks for putting together! Should market size be given 25%? It seems to skew
moknowssports
5/16/23 8:28am
I agree with this. Weighting market size 25% or more seems too high.
Short_Changed
5/16/23 8:31am
If the market completely ignores the school doesn't really make sense to use it
PokeMAN
5/16/23 8:36am
attendance is a bigger factor than market size.
LeonMarek
5/16/23 8:50am
Big10 heavily favors this metric.
Hill4Heisman
5/16/23 9:45am
I thought about dropping the value... but we've seen market size drive expansion a fair amount
krindorr
5/16/23 8:42am
Great Stuff! Really appreciate the time, effort and thinking on this!
Captain Stubing
5/16/23 8:59am
If you want a different weighting of those 4 factors, I can put it together in just a minute or two
krindorr
5/16/23 8:58am
What time frame are you looking at for ratings, OFS and attendance?
Captain Stubing
5/16/23 9:22am
Last decade... Going back further would have advantages and disadvantages
krindorr
5/16/23 9:28am
Here’s the weighting I’d use:
Short_Changed
5/16/23 11:58am
Results by that weighting
krindorr
5/16/23 12:39pm
This feels about right. Rutgers went way down.
Short_Changed
5/16/23 12:53pm
Agreed, maybe a little harsh but in the right range
krindorr
5/16/23 1:15pm
One big problem with that weighting:
moknowssports
5/16/23 1:34pm
Can you include basketball so that Utah drops?
thewaterboy
5/16/23 8:31am
Well, including basketball would give you a better sense of each
moknowssports
5/16/23 8:39am
Unfortunately I think that for most schools, basketball isn't even a factor
krindorr
5/16/23 8:54am
Rutgers at #28 kind of invalidates this approach in my mind
Hill4Heisman
5/16/23 9:44am
Your values for BYU and Utah aren't close to ESPN's internal value rankings
slatecoug
5/16/23 1:42pm
BTW, your numbers don't matchup with BYU being worth an extra $4-$5Mil/school
slatecoug
5/16/23 1:43pm
See my comments here
krindorr
5/16/23 1:54pm
I listened to the the interview. $2.5M is not much of a "Home Run" shot.
slatecoug
5/16/23 4:09pm
BTW, I saw some ESPN internal numbers a few years ago. They had BYU A LOT higher
slatecoug
5/16/23 4:11pm
Again, like I said, this is a general rough estimate. I fully expect BYu to be higher than this
krindorr
5/16/23 8:40pm
The guy that writes for SBJ, and made the comment never walked it back.
slatecoug
5/16/23 10:39pm
BYU will never get a fair ranking in these because
cougforever
5/16/23 8:50am
Yeah, honestly, I'd say BYU is one of the outliers here and wouldn't focus on them as much
krindorr
5/16/23 9:46am
Interesting info, as always. Personally, I think it's overly simplistic & prone
BamaCoug
5/16/23 9:13am
100% it's a simple back-of-the envelope calculation, useful as a starting point. But I don't see importance of # alumni
krindorr
5/16/23 9:26am
The Big Ten, in particular, has stated alumni size factors into their criteria
moknowssports
5/16/23 9:43am
Alumni and enrollment are huge factors. They may not be watching the games much
BamaCoug
5/16/23 10:54am
And yes, I mentioned a few times that Army/Navy are outliers based on some weird factors and should likely be ignored
krindorr
5/16/23 9:49am
IMO, TV ratings shouldn't be so much about a set number but more about how teams perform against the
ManicBlue
5/16/23 10:28am
All valid points, though FWIW this TV viewership metric does consider and ding teams for being televised less often
krindorr
5/16/23 10:35am
From your above post, you only wrote "For Viewership, this was 2M in rated games." so I assumed it was for a
ManicBlue
5/16/23 10:46am
Yeah, that was my fault; bad wording on my part - I see it now
krindorr
5/16/23 11:04am
Kindoor has no idea what he is looking at.
travelcoug
5/16/23 1:48pm
How far back to look at on-field success?
akbarishiwatsu
5/16/23 10:43am
Does Texas ever really “look good” though? They were great in the 60’s and 00’s…
moknowssports
5/16/23 10:58am
I look back a decade, but am happy to reweight and rerun it if you prefer different weightings
krindorr
5/16/23 11:00am
Do you actually share the rankings? I think a link is missing.
TailgateU
5/16/23 11:59am
They're in the comments underneath because I did it two different ways
krindorr
5/16/23 12:40pm
Where. Not seeing them.
Forzaitalia
5/16/23 12:55pm
RE: Where. Not seeing them.
ManicBlue
5/16/23 1:40pm
RE: Where. Not seeing them.
ManicBlue
5/16/23 1:41pm
How is BYU worth $4-$5Mil extra/Big 12 team based upon your numbers?
slatecoug
5/16/23 1:48pm
How come utah was seen on the pac 12 net more than any other team if they
travelcoug
5/16/23 1:51pm
Mostly because that's simply not true
krindorr
5/16/23 2:04pm
Don’t just make stuff up
travelcoug
5/16/23 3:54pm
What time frame did you look at, krindorr? I agree with your conclusion
moknowssports
5/16/23 4:06pm
He makes up numbers to prop up utah smh
travelcoug
5/16/23 6:04pm
As near as I can tell, he has Utah in exactly the right ranking when it comes to
moknowssports
5/16/23 6:21pm
Using his numbers for everyone else and putting the correct number in for Utah
travelcoug
5/16/23 6:57pm
I didn't say it was 2.5, I said that was the number BamaCoug used
krindorr
5/16/23 8:52pm
Interesting…the guy who said it came back later and said he hadn’t validated
moknowssports
5/16/23 9:45pm
Not wrong numbers, intentionally manipulatively wrong numbers
travelcoug
5/16/23 10:11pm
Ok, let's take it by year and see if we can't figure this out: PAC 12 Network games by year for the last decade
krindorr
5/17/23 8:27am
To be clear, I have no issue with people being negative towards Utah
krindorr
5/17/23 8:31am
You're both wrong. Utah is right in the middle for P12N appearances.
jvquarterback
5/17/23 10:44am
I just go by alphabetical order - specifically to avoid that
krindorr
5/17/23 11:22am
I would be interested in seeing this plotted against conference record or team..
BamaCoug
5/18/23 11:28pm
Here's the chart you asked for
krindorr
5/19/23 9:58am
Interesting. The biggest markets get to avoid having their teams on PAC12Net
BamaCoug
5/19/23 8:07pm
Yeah, here's the numbers with the LA Schools taken out
krindorr
5/19/23 9:51pm
Does TV viewership control for opponent?
TailgateU
5/17/23 9:37am
Unfortunately no, haven't found a great way to do that
krindorr
5/17/23 10:08am
The really hard part is that it probably needs to be recursive... And maybe infinitely recursive
krindorr
5/17/23 10:10am
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