Shortsighted though. After UW, UO, Stanford leave, those factors fade fast

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Feb 7, 2023
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Tony Altimore makes his case for no PAC12 teams joining the B12

CougarCanuck76

2/7/23 2:28pm

Haha he thinks college football has something to do with academics..

TANK

2/7/23 2:32pm

He (correctly) thinks University Presidents (i.e. academics) are the ones making the decisions

krindorr

2/7/23 2:34pm

Why did Texas join the SEC over other conferences then? Athletics>academics

HairyCougar

2/7/23 3:13pm

Great summary. Thanks for sharing.

TFL

2/7/23 2:36pm

Shortsighted though. After UW, UO, Stanford leave, those factors fade fast

bruincoug

2/7/23 2:38pm

If Washington and Stanford leave there is no Pac12

CougarCanuck76

2/7/23 2:40pm

Xacly

bruincoug

2/7/23 2:50pm

Hey whatever works to keep them in PAC I support.

Bobmarleyjr

2/7/23 2:40pm

Yet, this group of "elite" academic research institutions is considering adding

TrueBlue67

2/7/23 2:43pm

And counts amongst its members ASU, Arizona, Utah, Washington State, and Oregon State

YIsForBrigham

2/7/23 2:45pm

This! They have no choice but to dilute their Pac12 product. It's not the same

CougarCanuck76

2/7/23 2:46pm

The fact that he tries to prop up the SEC in terms of academics undermines his

Gentleman Stan

2/7/23 2:46pm

To be fair he points out the bottom rung schools

CougarCanuck76

2/7/23 2:49pm

It's ok.

Gentleman Stan

2/7/23 2:54pm

USN was part of it along with various other measurements

CougarCanuck76

2/7/23 3:04pm

Most of his points are solid. Does he account for a scenario where 1 or 2 PAC 12

BlooCoog

2/7/23 2:49pm

The assumption is that if Stanford and/or Wash are gone

CougarCanuck76

2/7/23 2:52pm

Yes. The Big 10 does seem to be done for now, especially with a new commish. But

BlooCoog

2/7/23 2:58pm

Mark Rogers and Tony Altimore are elitist clowns

runningryan

2/7/23 2:50pm

That was my thought as well, but I have no understanding of that

CougarCanuck76

2/7/23 2:55pm

But is the networking really more to do with geography and AAU membership than conference affiliation?

runningryan

2/7/23 3:02pm

I think he overemphasizes academics and the impact of conference affiliation on research

krindorr

2/7/23 3:11pm

Correlation is not causation

runningryan

2/7/23 3:15pm

Honestly, I think you're correct. I think the PAC helped them get their sooner, but it was a point of emphasis even b4

krindorr

2/7/23 3:29pm

And that is a human, but realistic consideration

runningryan

2/7/23 3:40pm

Yup, I'm in agreement there. Bottom line, if the PAC football numbers are relati close, then they'd prefer to stay there

krindorr

2/7/23 3:43pm

Again, I'm not saying I agree with Altimore 100% here. Like I said, I think it's overstated

krindorr

2/7/23 3:42pm

Oh I agree, perception is more tangible than reality

runningryan

2/7/23 3:53pm

Honest question. You're clearly bothered by these claims. What are you hoping would happen?

TFL

2/7/23 6:06pm

The danger is that the PAC could be a threat to the Big 12

krindorr

2/7/23 6:29pm

Or maybe the competition between the two creates a compelling new element to the national discussion

TFL

2/8/23 12:09am

I have a personal beef with Tony

runningryan

2/7/23 10:12pm

His type of arrogance is why the PAC 12 didn’t see losing USC and UCLA coming

TerpCoug

2/7/23 2:51pm

Excellent point. That’s why the PAC 12 could pursue Kansas and Tech.

Vert der Frick

2/7/23 2:52pm

It's odd that how much money you get for research is tied to your football team

Huge Manatee

2/7/23 2:53pm

Well research dollars don't pay for Athletic budgets. This is the type of

SnickSnack

2/7/23 2:56pm

Again remember that University Presidents are the ones making this decision, so things like

krindorr

2/7/23 3:04pm

Not closest thing to the Ivy League. Emphasis on "Poor Man's" Ivy League.

SnickSnack

2/7/23 3:36pm

Athletics build a school’s brand more than its research

runningryan

2/7/23 3:04pm

honest question: how does being in a conference like Big10 or Pac12 help a

CrashMcLarson

2/7/23 2:56pm

Answer: NO

runningryan

2/7/23 3:11pm

right but ive seen multiple places state being in those conf, increase research

CrashMcLarson

2/7/23 3:28pm

But it is it because of the athletic connection or the AAU relationship network?

runningryan

2/7/23 3:52pm

He is extremely smart, and well-informed. He is also a self-admitted Pac-12 snob who has bashed a large number of

Bob Vance

2/7/23 3:01pm

Dumb. UNM research $ has gone up at the same rate as CU and Utah. Nobody cares

jvquarterback

2/7/23 3:05pm

I think that’s a big consideration for AZ schools — OOS students

bruincoug

2/7/23 6:36pm

Arizona schools get 4x tuition for Texas residents compared to California.

jvquarterback

2/7/23 8:42pm

The Big 12 used to be the more academically rigorous conference vs. the SEC.

Baylorbears11

2/7/23 3:10pm

Very informative. The focus on research $ is understandable, but

Happy As Larry

2/7/23 3:26pm

If he's right, then there's no way SDSU or SMU are invited to the PAC.

Mitty

2/7/23 3:29pm

He hates BYU. Also said SDSU is ok academically for PAC 😄

Kral

2/7/23 4:15pm

He doesn't hate BYU. He makes a valid point about BYU's challenges...

Ushuaia

2/7/23 4:27pm

His presentation says BYU is not R1 because of fundamentalist notions about

TerpCoug

2/7/23 4:40pm

Not quite true.

Boring

2/7/23 7:53pm

“Not a serious research institution” = BYU refuses to be part of the leftist

TerpCoug

2/7/23 4:52pm

Not sure whether to roll my eyes or to laugh. So... 😎

Ushuaia

2/7/23 5:08pm

Feel free to do a bit of both. I just think a lot of these schools lie about

TerpCoug

2/7/23 5:41pm

I find it ironic he accuses BYU of not being legitimate because it has a religious filter when he himself sees the world

runningryan

2/7/23 5:24pm

Having been involved personally in "research" on Multiple Sclerosis at the UU I

BRATS

2/7/23 4:43pm

It’s this kind of thinking that got the pac where it is. The bottom

BYU '80

2/7/23 5:12pm

Tony determines his conclusion and backs his way into it by rationalization and cherry picking what data points he

runningryan

2/7/23 5:17pm

I'll agree with this; I think this board underestimates academic impact, but Altimore way overvalues it

krindorr

2/7/23 5:45pm

I think Academics is the tie breaker

runningryan

2/7/23 8:33pm

He's got a valid point

akbarishiwatsu

2/7/23 5:39pm

Not really. Texas would be in the Big Ten right now if so.

HairyCougar

2/7/23 6:26pm

Bogus comparisons.

Les IsMore

2/7/23 5:44pm

Honest question: If an AAU PAC 12 team left, would they lose research $ & AAU?

RJCOD

2/7/23 9:49pm

Yes…100% yes. AAU is such a stupid club, they reward those who fall in line with

Vert der Frick

2/7/23 9:59pm

If true, could a former AAU school bring a lawsuit against the AAU?

RJCOD

2/7/23 10:13pm

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