That’s fair, I can see how the conclusion was drawn now. My intent was to speak to young healthy people experiencing

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Mar 20, 2021
1:56:48pm

Zach Morris True Liberal

minimal issues with Covid and wondering if the vaccine was clearly superior to just getting the antibodies.

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Zach Morris

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I keep hearing from family/friends and also read online about how common the nasty side effects are of the vaccine...

Zach Morris True Liberal

3/20/21 1:21pm

I think you've got some serious sampling bias going on.

Byron McNertney

3/20/21 1:23pm

Could be but that may be part or most of the reason I’m asking these questions. Do you have an answer?

Zach Morris

3/20/21 1:24pm

Here is actual data from the CDC on frequency of side effects from the Pfizer vaccine during testing

Greg Kite's 'stache

3/20/21 1:33pm

I didn't say you're biased, I said your sampling might be if you're thinking the

Byron McNertney

3/20/21 1:33pm

You’re not addressing my questions. You’re drawing your own conclusions and then providing responses to those

Zach Morris

3/20/21 1:39pm

You're joking, right? I literally just gave you millions of reasons why getting

Byron McNertney

3/20/21 1:47pm

Where did I bring up deaths or comparing possibilities of death? I asked why the vaccine is better than just getting

Zach Morris

3/20/21 1:49pm

The first paragraph: “it’s staggering how the virus itself is far more forgiving than the vaccine appears to be.”

TCuz

3/20/21 1:54pm

He's clearly just trolling.

Byron McNertney

3/20/21 1:55pm

That’s fair, I can see how the conclusion was drawn now. My intent was to speak to young healthy people experiencing

Zach Morris

3/20/21 1:56pm

One of the biggest differences is that you can get the vaccine immediately, as opposed to waiting to get COVID

Greg Kite's 'stache

3/20/21 2:13pm

This is the difference

dratax

3/20/21 2:06pm

Yes, your opinion is unscientific and can be dismissed.

ReyOso

3/20/21 1:34pm

False. I didn’t give an opinion, I shared observations and asked for better understanding. I didn’t perch myself on any

Zach Morris

3/20/21 1:35pm

Well, don't die on the antivaxxer hill, that's what I'd say.

ReyOso

3/20/21 1:37pm

Cognitive bias, actually.

The Old Y

3/20/21 1:41pm

My covid symptoms were nothing more then a cold

DieHarder

3/20/21 1:28pm

not me; I would love to drop 10 lbs and that would help

rotorhead

3/20/21 4:37pm

You could probably burn them off if you wanted to lose your taste

DieHarder

3/20/21 4:42pm

I agree. I am in the exact same boat with taste/smell and I hate it.

Incognito

3/20/21 6:24pm

You're not hearing from the millions who have received it without issue. Wife

Tare

3/20/21 1:28pm

It was smooth sailing for me.

SpotOnOpinionsGuy

3/20/21 1:28pm

What is it?

Zach Morris

3/20/21 1:29pm

This is insane

RWaters

3/20/21 1:30pm

I have seen people in their 40s with massive blood clots or pneumothorax (popped lung) due to covid

Slim

3/20/21 1:31pm

was the pneumothorax due to ventilator use?

UNLVcougar

3/20/21 1:32pm

Nope. None of those patients were ever on a ventilator.

Slim

3/20/21 1:34pm

An individual I interact with had a father, mother, and sister all pass away due

LakeshowCougs

3/20/21 1:43pm

Getting Covid and recovering from it helps herd immunity just as the vaccine

USMCdad

3/20/21 1:40pm

We don’t know yet if having had COVID makes you immune long term.

Traveshamockery

3/20/21 2:33pm

If having symptomatic disease with a fever doesn’t give you long term antibodies

StalwartBraveTrue

3/20/21 2:43pm

Yes we do, that’s why there is a vaccine for it as well

USMCdad

3/20/21 3:35pm

Antibodies after natural Covid typically exist 90 days.

Traveshamockery

3/20/21 4:31pm

I don’t believe this at all.

USMCdad

3/20/21 4:56pm

Can you share some studies showing we know how long immunity lasts?

fattycoug

3/20/21 4:46pm

I don’t care if you are anti vaccination, you do you

USMCdad

3/20/21 6:39pm

I'm not anti-vax. I'm asking you how you know that having had the virus

fattycoug

3/21/21 12:22am

Because that’s how antibodies work. Whether by having the virus or the vaccine

USMCdad

3/21/21 10:41am

My side affects from the first dose of the vaccine lasted about 24 hours. I was sick but it didn’t last long.

Busting Coveys

3/20/21 1:41pm

If you already had it and recovered from it, how did you get your vaccine

USMCdad

3/20/21 1:58pm

I qualified due to having a health condition.

Busting Coveys

3/20/21 2:08pm

Did you have an antibody test or did they even ask you about it?

USMCdad

3/20/21 3:09pm

I went at the recommendation of my hematologist. No antibody test done beforehand. Nobody asked me of my health

Busting Coveys

3/20/21 3:14pm

I think you should probably have asked a random CBer before your hematologist

fattycoug

3/20/21 4:49pm

As long as he asks those who believe vaccinations help

USMCdad

3/20/21 6:53pm

RE: I keep hearing from family/friends and also read online about how common the

Bandit

3/20/21 1:42pm

There have been 500k+ COVID deaths in the US. There is no evidence of COVID vaccine related deaths in the US. The end.

TCuz

3/20/21 1:43pm

Seems like with the vaccine, most people get a little sick. With the virus,

Great38

3/20/21 1:43pm

You’re probably just hearing more from people who’s side effects were worse and there is probably some exaggerating

SpiffCoug

3/20/21 1:45pm

Because you can’t spread the effects of the vaccine. You can spread the actual

StantonMac

3/20/21 1:50pm

This makes sense, thank you. Congrats on actually answering the question instead of creating a savage straw man

Zach Morris

3/20/21 1:54pm

Well seeing as the vaccines aren't actually approved by the FDA and we don't

TutumTeRoboreReddam

3/20/21 1:52pm

A decent argument could be made that the FDA has killed more than it has saved.

MetaLearner

3/20/21 2:01pm

I'm not reporting false information. Many people would disagree with you on the

TutumTeRoboreReddam

3/20/21 4:14pm

This is nonsense, and is misinformation. The vaccine is safe.

TCuz

3/20/21 4:21pm

I wish I could be as trusting as you but I like to see things from all

TutumTeRoboreReddam

3/20/21 4:43pm

🤦‍♂️

LakeshowCougs

3/20/21 4:46pm

Lol, but you’re making the opposite of an informed decision, based off who knows what.

TCuz

3/20/21 4:53pm

Did you believe the media when they said the vaccine was approved too quickly?

MetaLearner

3/20/21 9:59pm

The COVID vaccines do not mess with people’s DNA, this is a falsehood that has been spread repeatedly, and is inaccurate

Greg Kite's 'stache

3/20/21 4:25pm

MIT and Harvard scientists say different.

TutumTeRoboreReddam

3/20/21 4:45pm

The writer of the article you cite is Doug Corrigan, let me provide some background on him (my hunch is you already know

Greg Kite's 'stache

3/20/21 9:39pm

Looks like there are a lot of comments on the paper disputing the claims.

MetaLearner

3/20/21 9:54pm

If you don’t understand what MRNA is or does then don’t comment. One huge

LakeshowCougs

3/20/21 4:31pm

Can you please explain why you think the mRNA vaccine "messes with people's DNA"?

durandal

3/20/21 4:34pm

Because he also believes other vaccines cause the autism

WDaddy

3/20/21 4:45pm

Many people are also idiots. mRNA vaccines have been around for about 13 years.

MetaLearner

3/20/21 9:56pm

Covid was awful for my wife and I (both 30). Not a mild cold at all.

dchandle15

3/20/21 1:55pm

Got the vaccine 4 hours ago. Only side effect so far is a mildly sore shoulder.

jreid191

3/20/21 2:00pm

Here's how I see it: if you get sick with Covid-19, best case scenario you have mild symptoms that will last for a

durandal

3/20/21 2:04pm

Great thoughts, thanks.

Zach Morris

3/20/21 2:10pm

My symptoms were bizarre and miserable

vegas guey

3/20/21 2:21pm

And I’ve not heard of any real side effects from the shot other than a sore arm

pink22

3/20/21 2:25pm

Now you have

vegas guey

3/20/21 9:58pm

Because the most likely outcome is that the vaccine will hit you no worse than

jkccoug

3/20/21 3:19pm

The only side effect I had was a sore arm for a couple days. To be fair it was

CougarTailDevourer

3/20/21 3:37pm

I had no serious issues. First dose made me tired and I went to bed early that night. Nothing else...

Adrielle

3/20/21 4:25pm

If it helps, in my anecdotal experience, symptoms from the vaccine were hardly

tony

3/20/21 5:38pm

You’re really overplaying the vaccine sides and underplaying the Covid effects.

Memmo

3/20/21 5:42pm

I think if you’re honest with yourself you know the answer.

StalwartBraveTrue

3/20/21 10:09pm

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