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Nov 6, 2019
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Naw medicine is all that matters.
Okay maybe law since the wife is a lawyer. But that difference means NADA. Both schools are in the same tier.
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Utah getting in the AAU is bigger news for the school than getting in the PAC-12
CallingDingo
11/6/19 12:01pm
So why did it take them until 2019 to get that?
bluebrotha
11/6/19 12:11pm
We're still ranked higher than you in most categories, and you can still get in
Cougar76
11/6/19 12:12pm
BYU will always have undergrad smack because it is primarily an undergraduate institution. That's the mission.
letthewookiewin
11/6/19 12:14pm
BYU’s grad schools are better than Utah’s in head to head battles.
bluebrotha
11/6/19 12:18pm
Marriott School, yes. I'm not so sure about the others. But then again, I haven't looked into it
letthewookiewin
11/6/19 12:19pm
BYU LAW #39, Utah #47
bluebrotha
11/6/19 12:27pm
Lolzzz because 8 spots matters so much.
DocPimp
11/6/19 2:05pm
Correction, both are at the bottom of tier 1.
Scratch
11/6/19 2:16pm
Thanks for the correction.
DocPimp
11/6/19 4:01pm
BYU Law and Utah Law are not Tier 1 Schools
SCSLC81
11/6/19 4:28pm
You're talking about something different. There are generally 4 tiers when
Scratch
11/6/19 4:37pm
I respectfully disagree
SCSLC81
11/6/19 4:43pm
Really? Because as a lawyer top 50 = tier 1
ironman1315
11/6/19 5:09pm
May I ask what you looked at?
SCSLC81
11/6/19 5:48pm
Above the law, US News. It's kind of all over if you look.
ironman1315
11/6/19 9:28pm
Wrong. Typically top 14 is referred to as T14 and tier one is 1-50.
Ozymandias
11/6/19 5:19pm
RE: Wrong. Typically top 14 is referred to as T14 and tier one is 1-50.
SCSLC81
11/6/19 6:06pm
Generally, yes, that's how the nomenclature works. And if you want to dig down
Scratch
11/6/19 6:27pm
You can think it is stupid all you want, but that is how they are referred to.
Ozymandias
11/6/19 7:20pm
RE: You can think it is stupid all you want, but that is how they are referred
SCSLC81
11/6/19 8:00pm
Are you a lawyer?
Ozymandias
11/6/19 8:30pm
Thanks for the correction!
DocPimp
11/6/19 6:18pm
So many things wrong here. Median GPA for U law is 3.60 at BYU it is 3.82. LSAT
califcougar
11/6/19 9:55pm
Missed the point. To pretend Utah has better grad programs is a lie.
bluebrotha
11/6/19 3:21pm
When looking at all grad programs that both offer Utah comes out well ahead in the USNews rankings.
Tokolosh
11/6/19 3:31pm
It does. In most areas. Just not in all.
Scratch
11/6/19 3:32pm
Only the ones that matter.
hanzelka
11/6/19 4:33pm
Some of them
Tokolosh
11/6/19 12:52pm
BYU's law and business schools are slightly higher. That's about it, with
Scratch
11/6/19 12:54pm
Okay so the only ones that really matter, got it.
DraperCoug22
11/6/19 12:57pm
Med school is the one that really matters the most
ALUF 1990
11/6/19 12:58pm
That's all Utah has on BYU. Everything that's apples to apples, BYU is better.
DraperCoug22
11/6/19 12:59pm
False
Tokolosh
11/6/19 1:05pm
Nope. See Scratch's post below. In truth it will never be an apples to apples
ALUF 1990
11/6/19 1:14pm
Utah fans: just leave CB. Your participation here is trolling.
JmThms
11/6/19 1:24pm
Yep. DryFlyUte, ALUF, Toko, trolls every one of them.
DraperCoug22
11/6/19 3:03pm
RE: Yep. DryFlyUte, ALUF, Toko, trolls every one of them.
Tokolosh
11/6/19 3:59pm
You'd think with all my posts in this thread I'd have made the cut. Devastating.
Scratch
11/6/19 4:05pm
Med school doesn’t matter at all to this discussion b/c BYU doesn’t have one.
bluebrotha
11/6/19 3:20pm
That's the point. BYU is not a serious graduate school university or they would
ALUF 1990
11/6/19 5:49pm
BYU will intentionally never have a Med School.
bluebrotha
11/6/19 8:55pm
I’m fully biased...
DocPimp
11/6/19 6:23pm
The sciences don't matter? Engineering doesn't matter?
Scratch
11/6/19 1:08pm
Can't take a joke.
DraperCoug22
11/6/19 3:03pm
Top Ranked Video Game Design Program
ReyOso
11/6/19 3:38pm
“Slightly”? I have recruited at both B-schools since 2002, and there is nothing
chilango
11/6/19 3:40pm
Neat. I'm just looking at rankings. And again, I thought we were discussing
Scratch
11/6/19 3:44pm
The students are a reflection of the school, the “result”. At least in B-school.
chilango
11/6/19 3:58pm
So the students going to both have similar academic profiles? Got it.
Scratch
11/6/19 4:06pm
RE: So the students going to both have similar academic profiles? Got it.
GigantorCat
11/6/19 4:37pm
<< Deleted >>
chilango
11/6/19 3:58pm
When was the last time you hit both schools. Utah has improved and invested a lot in recent years...
Tokolosh
11/6/19 3:46pm
4 yrs ago.
chilango
11/6/19 3:59pm
Chilango isn't wrong for the MBA programs. There's a huge difference in the
kos
11/6/19 4:09pm
Overall, Utah is a better university. Research and graduate programs in depth..
Corsica
11/6/19 12:19pm
LOL.
JmThms
11/6/19 12:22pm
I will grant you medicine. The rest of your post is garbage.
Yohy
11/6/19 12:24pm
and I will grant you family studies and boy scouts
Corsica
11/6/19 12:30pm
You pretty much lose all credibility with the sarcasm here
Resurgens
11/7/19 3:44pm
As is the U of U as a whole.
CougarTailDevourer
11/6/19 12:59pm
BYU has better law and business grad programs. Utah is easily better in the
kos
11/6/19 1:32pm
U of U = East Bench High School...grades 13, 14, 15, and 16.
Iman23
11/6/19 12:26pm
Care to share any data to back that up?
LifeLongLakerFan
11/6/19 12:30pm
He can’t.
bluebrotha
11/6/19 12:53pm
Here is some. I haven't done the updated research in some time but if AAU status has come to Utah I only assume...
Tokolosh
11/6/19 12:55pm
Clown post of the day
DraperCoug22
11/6/19 12:58pm
Research that brought us cold fusion ... thanks for that, Yewts!
stirmac
11/6/19 4:02pm
The only people in the world that would even say that live in Utah.
Lieutenant America
11/6/19 5:31pm
You know, like the AAU. Not the day to make this argument.
Scratch
11/6/19 5:43pm
The AAU doesn’t change anything from an outsiders perspective man. Sorry.
Lieutenant America
11/6/19 6:01pm
Lol this is so wrong.
DocPimp
11/6/19 6:28pm
It's OK, let them keep believing this. My grad program always had more U grads
Scratch
11/6/19 6:39pm
Agree with you, both are good schools.
DocPimp
11/6/19 6:45pm
Hahaha! Dude, it’s not wrong and you know it.
Lieutenant America
11/6/19 7:03pm
I like your unicorns and rainbows approach to life!
DocPimp
11/6/19 8:27pm
I didn’t say anything positive about either school in my post.
Lieutenant America
11/6/19 8:39pm
Lol my bad - meant to say 95% didn’t even know about BYU.
DocPimp
11/6/19 9:15pm
I see your anecdotal evidence and raise you my own.
Tokolosh
11/6/19 8:29pm
He brought up his anecdotal evidence, I brought up mine.
Lieutenant America
11/6/19 8:37pm
Just explaining why we don’t “know” what you are claiming.
Tokolosh
11/6/19 8:43pm
But if you’re honest with yourself, you do know. In general, a Utah education
Lieutenant America
11/6/19 8:51pm
So 77 vs 104 is worth all this trash talk? Oh well
run26
11/6/19 8:57pm
What else would you expect from arch rivals on the same board?
Lieutenant America
11/6/19 9:11pm
Pretty much all my friends who graduated from the U are doing pretty well for
DocPimp
11/6/19 9:17pm
So you went from “lol you’re so wrong, Utah’s reputation is amazing”
Lieutenant America
11/6/19 9:24pm
Medically their rep is incredible. Moran Eye is a top
DocPimp
11/6/19 9:30pm
How does that truth hurt me? I have never once argued being a BYU grad has made
Lieutenant America
11/6/19 10:11pm
Ehhh you can basically say that about most schools - including BYU.
DocPimp
11/6/19 10:45pm
Like I said. If you want a spiritual college experience then you can’t beat BYU.
DocPimp
11/6/19 9:32pm
I certainly noticed that 98% of my classmates were LDS. But ...
run26
11/6/19 9:48pm
The only difference is my U of U fans and Ut St friends were able to
DocPimp
11/6/19 9:18pm
AAU is more about grant money than accomplishments.
Benfica1
11/6/19 12:22pm
This.
chilango
11/6/19 7:44pm
And what do you think grant money is about?
Scratch
11/6/19 7:46pm
The average incoming freshman at BYU had a 3.87, it's been hovering around 3.9
CougarTailDevourer
11/6/19 12:58pm
I think you're confusing university status with student qualifications
run26
11/6/19 1:14pm
"Most students that go to the Y could also get into Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc
Scratch
11/6/19 1:15pm
This sounds like someone that did not go to a top tier school.
GigantorCat
11/6/19 1:22pm
LOL. Not quite right.
Scratch
11/6/19 1:24pm
Good rebuttal from someone that has no clue what they are talking about.
GigantorCat
11/6/19 3:53pm
Keep doubling down on this one. Super entertaining.
Scratch
11/6/19 4:07pm
The simple minded are usually easy to entertain, so this makes sense.
GigantorCat
11/6/19 4:22pm
Is trolling funny to you?
JmThms
11/6/19 1:25pm
Nope, and I'm not trolling.
Scratch
11/6/19 1:26pm
For 2019 U.S. News ranked BYU 57th in the country and the U of U ranked 146th.
CougarTailDevourer
11/6/19 2:39pm
Most "outside sources" rank the U as a better "academic institution."
Scratch
11/6/19 2:48pm
If they have the same average credentials as those getting into the Ivy league
CougarTailDevourer
11/6/19 3:07pm
You keep trotting this out but it's not true, BYU and Ivy league admissions are
holipuluki
11/6/19 3:25pm
you realize that you are comparing TOP IVY vs BYU, right, go check Cornell and
byu1
11/6/19 4:01pm
Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, and Penn are both significantly higher. Any secret
Scratch
11/6/19 4:11pm
Of course I am, those are the schools that who I’m responding too cited
holipuluki
11/6/19 4:22pm
They don't have the same average credentials as those schools, it's not even
Scratch
11/6/19 3:31pm
So kinda like the same Delta between BYU and Utah students, not even close
GigantorCat
11/6/19 3:57pm
I've said repeatedly in this thread that BYU's students have, on average, much
Scratch
11/6/19 4:13pm
And I'm just saying that it's not even close. Wanted to make that clear for you
GigantorCat
11/6/19 4:21pm
BYU, doesn't use weighted GPA, so no one will ever have over a 4.0
byu1
11/6/19 4:06pm
I am aware that Stanford is not an Ivy. I brought it up because the guy who
Scratch
11/6/19 4:17pm
wrong. go back and read your own link
run26
11/6/19 3:03pm
Are you trolling? Because you have the schools reversed.
CougarTailDevourer
11/6/19 3:10pm
yep my mistake on the reversal. duh
run26
11/6/19 3:16pm
Whether BYU or Utah is better in U.S. News' World Report...
D.T. Survivor
11/6/19 3:06pm
BYU has the best graduation rate and post-attendance median salary in the state.
CougarTailDevourer
11/6/19 3:15pm
If its graduation rates and income were not higher that would be horrible given
Scratch
11/6/19 3:20pm
So by which metrics is Utah a better school than BYU? I'd love to hear the
CougarTailDevourer
11/6/19 3:26pm
So, cry closets are not associated with higher graduation rates and incomes?
D.T. Survivor
11/6/19 3:31pm
I can speak from experience that they provide an excellent education at BYU
D.T. Survivor
11/6/19 3:03pm
Huge Y fan here and I attended, but...
schpenny
11/6/19 3:38pm
When did you attend? The Y's admission standards are very high. A 3.9 GPA is no
CougarTailDevourer
11/6/19 4:32pm
You realize that you can look these things up, right? And that your statement
Scratch
11/6/19 4:38pm
Right, and I have, and it's not
CougarTailDevourer
11/7/19 9:10am
+BYU acceptance rate is 50%, harvard, yale, etc single digits. +- 5%. C'mon bud.
schpenny
11/6/19 4:43pm
You realize that that's most likely because people only apply to BYU
CougarTailDevourer
11/7/19 9:10am
I can't believe you're doubling down on this. Have you actually attended one of
kos
11/7/19 10:07am
Still have woman’s soccer!
cougfanz
11/6/19 12:14pm
So Utah and Dartmouth are now on equal footing because they're both AAU?
holipuluki
11/6/19 12:17pm
Yep. Just like the Utes and USC, Wash, and OU are all equal cuz PAC12.
Cougar76
11/6/19 12:18pm
Well, we’re ahead of two of them in the standings...
Solomon Levi
11/6/19 7:38pm
AAU is about your grad school programs. It has little to nothing to do with how
BYUMizzou
11/6/19 12:19pm
Where BYU and Utah have the same grad schools, BYU’s rank higher
bluebrotha
11/6/19 12:29pm
LOL. Or not. US News, which this board swears by for undergrad, ranks Utah
Scratch
11/6/19 12:52pm
The 2 people care about most though are Business and Law.
Turnpike Lane
11/6/19 1:30pm
Which people are you referring to? The statement was that where BYU and Utah
kos
11/6/19 1:36pm
CPA's and attorneys. The two groups that most people love to hate.
wcj99
11/6/19 1:42pm
Naw medicine is all that matters.
DocPimp
11/6/19 6:35pm
No it doesn't.
Tokolosh
11/6/19 12:56pm
To use an example in medicine...
DocPimp
11/6/19 8:31pm
Another club yewta gets invited to that gives it a false perception of quality.
JmThms
11/6/19 12:26pm
AAU is a measure of how well you leach off of gov't
rcbyufan
11/6/19 12:29pm
Exactly. It's about federal grant money.
Benfica1
11/6/19 1:19pm
Big for Utah. But hate the constant comparison. BYU
TFL
11/6/19 12:35pm
RE: Utah getting in the AAU is bigger news for the school than getting in the
Frank Castiglione
11/6/19 12:38pm
Lol
LifelongAP
11/6/19 12:48pm
RE: Utah getting in the AAU is bigger news for the school than getting in the
akbarishiwatsu
11/6/19 12:59pm
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Posterizs
11/6/19 1:06pm
Good for them. That’s a great accomplishment
NorthwestCoug
11/6/19 1:15pm
Stanley Pons approved this message.
panguitch
11/6/19 1:46pm
so did Mario Capecchi. When will BYU get a Nobel Prize?
Corsica
11/6/19 2:17pm
Probably the same time Utah wins a football championship or any major award
panguitch
11/6/19 5:05pm
What rhymes with thyme?
DocPimp
11/6/19 6:36pm
We're extremely proud of you.
BlueNtheFace
11/6/19 2:16pm
Great for the Yew. Their graduates still make less money than BYU graduates.
TrueBlue67
11/6/19 2:17pm
I think I read somewhere the reason for that
run26
11/6/19 2:39pm
You also have to keep in mind the caliber of the respective students. The fact
Scratch
11/6/19 2:56pm
How so when my dingus cuz just got accepted there? Proof they will accept ANYONE
chazen
11/6/19 2:47pm
I know I'm probably ignorant, but how did UC - Santa Cruz make it? To me this
Coach's Dad
11/6/19 3:02pm
That was my thought. And that Dartmouth is an IVy school
StalwartBraveTrue
11/6/19 3:10pm
UCSC (like most UC schools) is a fantastic school and extremely competitive.
Scratch
11/6/19 3:18pm
Which is precisely my point. Odd that something so
StalwartBraveTrue
11/6/19 8:31pm
You have no idea what you’re talking about. This is a massive deal in
Scratch
11/6/19 8:48pm
In fact, Dartmouth has expressed a desire to join for a long time, but was not
Scratch
11/6/19 8:54pm
Exactly. Country club.
StalwartBraveTrue
11/7/19 7:51am
Well, it is one of the ten most prestigious University of California schools...
UCLACoug
11/6/19 3:24pm
It also has admission standards almost identical to BYU.
Scratch
11/6/19 3:35pm
AAU is as much political as it is academic.
StalwartBraveTrue
11/6/19 3:06pm
The AAU is really going downhill. The good schools with standards will need to
chilango
11/6/19 3:10pm
<< Deleted >>
rocker
11/6/19 3:49pm
RE: << Deleted >>
Tokolosh
11/6/19 3:56pm
Awesome, right up there with Iowa State and Arizona
byu1
11/6/19 4:13pm
Why so amped to joined an amateur youth sports association?
VballDad
11/6/19 4:13pm
Good for them. keep it up Utah 👍
Dr MoBYU
11/6/19 4:45pm
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