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CougarLoyalist
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Norm Chow just said the playcalling
BYURider
11/20/17 8:13am
Great coaches get great execution from their players.
Baron
11/20/17 8:14am
This is the problem currently. I agree the play calling is just fine. The problem is in coaching players to do the right
The Dude Abides
11/20/17 9:29am
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^X 1 hundred billion.
CObluezone
11/20/17 9:37am
Crowton was a phenomenal playcaller
keylimesoda
11/20/17 9:46am
"I'd rather win by nine than by two". Yup, great play caller.
Soy Celeste
11/20/17 10:34am
Tough to know what to think about a guy who takes things out of context.
Eddie
11/20/17 11:00am
there's nothing out of context with that statement Crowton made. it was pathetic
mindzeYe
11/20/17 11:51am
It was 'that mentality' that caused us to snatch defeat from the jaws of
Soy Celeste
11/20/17 12:35pm
I'm pretty sure we agree
mindzeYe
11/20/17 1:10pm
Sure - if you just take the statement.
Eddie
11/20/17 3:13pm
Uhh...by what standard is that true? Not even close to true.
BlueTooth
11/20/17 1:49pm
Croutons problem was not Xs and Os, it was in execution.
keylimesoda
11/20/17 11:19pm
After going to the game saturday and watching in person, I tend to agree it's
SoValleyCOUG
11/20/17 9:51am
Developing players is coaching for sure.
wilsdad
11/20/17 5:24pm
So you are saying small and simple things are the solution?
Heinz57
11/20/17 9:20pm
You can only make a Prius go so fast.
blackshirts
11/20/17 9:52am
That's norm chow, definitely doesn't know anything about coaching d1 football.
Phcole
11/20/17 8:15am
Norm Chow was relavent 15-20 or even more years ago. The game has passed him
kotacoug
11/20/17 8:22am
A coach is still a coach and regardless of the Xs and Os of the game nowadays
TheLoneCougar
11/20/17 8:25am
Get out of here with those hate facts.
Phcole
11/20/17 8:26am
What you mention is the DIRECT result of poor coaching and lack of leadership.
kotacoug
11/20/17 8:27am
You misunderstood what he said.
Phcole
11/20/17 8:28am
Certainly you don't think there is hustle, effort and passion out there
kotacoug
11/20/17 8:31am
Norm chow thought so.
Phcole
11/20/17 8:50am
Haha... Norm Chow's career HC record is 10-36 you really hanging your hat on
kotacoug
11/20/17 9:23am
Haha, he was the assistant coach of the year in 99. Yes I trust he knows what a
Phcole
11/20/17 9:39am
You are making yourself sound very ignorant here.
TheLoneCougar
11/20/17 10:03am
When was the last time Chow had a really successfully offense? 2004
kotacoug
11/20/17 12:43pm
Just wondering... How many Heisman Trophy winners have you coached?
CougarThug
11/20/17 1:46pm
The fact Chow has had abysmal offensive results the last 13 yrs has nothing to
kotacoug
11/20/17 3:44pm
Because being a coach and evaluating a game are two different things.
TheLoneCougar
11/20/17 7:17pm
That may be, but I am just discussing the ability of Norm Chow in evaluating
TheLoneCougar
11/20/17 8:32am
And do you really think he's going to say anything negative lol
kotacoug
11/20/17 9:17am
Absolutely.
TheLoneCougar
11/20/17 10:01am
Not with his guys. Completely different. Ty and Sitake are his
kotacoug
11/20/17 10:29am
Failure since 2004? What planet do you live on?
BeefNoodleSoup
11/20/17 8:52am
Haha the planet that Chow got fired from the Titans, UCLA, Utah,
kotacoug
11/20/17 12:15pm
DPOTD
Uncle Bluto
11/20/17 10:50am
Haaaaaha nice....here's a post for you to check out
kotacoug
11/20/17 12:50pm
That, or Norm's just coverin for his boyz.
mantis mutu
11/20/17 8:59am
Probably the case
kotacoug
11/20/17 9:18am
Throw 45 times with a freshman against a terrible run D? Norm is nuts.
Turbine
11/20/17 8:17am
Yep. More CBers who are better at understanding football than lifetime coaches.
Phcole
11/20/17 8:20am
But it’s Norm Chow... old cbers could predict his third down calls back in the
Polecat
11/20/17 8:23am
Ty's offense is ranked 125. Shutup cougarboard, Ty is terrible at his job.
Turbine
11/20/17 8:35am
I don’t think he’s defending Ty. He’s just saying CB consistently thinks they
Polecat
11/20/17 8:46am
Meantime your opinion combined with a nickel is still worth only 5 cents
CougarThug
11/20/17 1:52pm
I can't stand this argument. Just because we aren't coaches doesn't mean we dont
IronPotato
11/20/17 9:35am
I coached HS Football for 30 years
ALC
11/20/17 10:31am
While I agree at k3ast testing the 8 and 9 man front in the run game
CarolinaCoug
11/20/17 8:48pm
BYU was down 2 scores for about 1/3rd of the game, so there's your 45 passes
Indy Coug
11/20/17 8:22am
Yeah, BYU was slinging it on every play to start the game.
HawkeyeCoug
11/20/17 8:27am
It's a lot more nuanced than that.
Phcole
11/20/17 8:35am
Had we run more, Joe would not have been getting sacked
HawkeyeCoug
11/20/17 9:04am
What you linked is not nuanced at all. It's a birds eye view. Here's nuance:
Phcole
11/20/17 9:35am
Your stats are wrong
HawkeyeCoug
11/20/17 9:58am
I'm looking at the espn play by play right now.
Phcole
11/20/17 10:03am
Uh, did you watch the game? And never down more than 2 scores leaves time to run
Turbine
11/20/17 8:34am
Wrong. First half BYU had 22 passes to 10 runs. They were either tied or
byubyu
11/20/17 8:38am
This. CB defending Ty is ludicrous.
Turbine
11/20/17 8:42am
But look closer. A lot of those pass plays were forced by critchlow getting
Phcole
11/20/17 8:44am
If you run the ball, you can't get sacked.
CougarLoyalist
11/20/17 9:40am
So your argument is that we should have only run the ball. Got it.
Phcole
11/20/17 9:43am
Not at all. Look at the actual stats.
CougarLoyalist
11/20/17 9:50am
Excluding the two minute drill we ran on 5 first downs and passed on 4.
Phcole
11/20/17 10:02am
Your point? The point still stands.
CougarLoyalist
11/20/17 10:05am
My point is that outside of one drive, the run wasn't working well.
Phcole
11/20/17 10:13am
The outcomes of run/pass suggest that running was still our best bet
CougarLoyalist
11/20/17 10:50am
A few completions opens the run game up. That's the strategy.
Phcole
11/20/17 12:36pm
Even before this game, people on here and in the media were predicting
CougarLoyalist
11/20/17 10:04am
Because Critchlow was getting sacked. Way too many passing plays early.
boscatar
11/20/17 9:48am
It was only 3 -0 at halftime.
kahuna
11/20/17 2:43pm
I don't even care about that... it's just a proven at this point that what ever
kotacoug
11/20/17 8:25am
UMass had eight in the box most of the game and was daring Critchlow to beat
P-Boy Squad
11/20/17 8:31am
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CalGTR
11/20/17 1:18pm
This. Impossible to successfully "just run the ball." With no passing game to fear, they sold-out on stopping the run.
CalGTR
11/20/17 1:19pm
Norm objectively covering for his boyz Ty & Kalani. How sweet.
mantis mutu
11/20/17 8:34am
If Anae were OC there'd be far better execution...
NorCal_Coug
11/20/17 8:35am
Norm Chow is wrong: No Awareness of how to attack UMass defense
HawkeyeCoug
11/20/17 8:38am
they stacked the box
BeefNoodleSoup
11/20/17 8:53am
Wrong! I counted mostly 7 man fronts
HawkeyeCoug
11/20/17 9:02pm
We arent an option team. Those teams entire backfields would
CarolinaCoug
11/21/17 4:02am
While I hate Ty's scheme, Norm is right.
mudpupper
11/20/17 8:42am
Ty went completely away from Squally for a full quarter
CougarsFanSince80s
11/20/17 8:44am
Which was particularly ridiculous given their biggest DL weighed 274 -- & their
mantis mutu
11/20/17 9:11am
What I've been saying all along. It's not the scheme. It's everything else.
GOR
11/20/17 8:44am
Well, that is still 100% on the coaches
idacoug
11/20/17 8:48am
Right but is Detmer the problem? Or HC/culture/discipline?
GOR
11/20/17 8:55am
Impossible to pinpoint but looks more and more to me like it's coming from the top. Could be wrong.
Refugee
11/20/17 8:57am
Last game was the worst called game of the year for Detmer imo. Detmer has his
cougaman
11/20/17 8:54am
Where is Norm coaching theses days? Has he been any good in the past decade? If he knew what was going on he'd be in a
sgriff
11/20/17 8:57am
Chow is 71 and likely not looking for a full time gig any more.
CougarThug
11/20/17 2:17pm
I’ll admit - I’m all over the place with my thoughts on this team...
truecougster
11/20/17 9:21am
Playcalling is fine, players aren't executing. Why is that so hard to believe?
BeefNoodleSoup
11/20/17 9:30am
That is fine for a game or two. What is the definition of insanity?
RealityCheck
11/20/17 9:41am
Ty has adapted a LOT this year to work with what he has.
GOR
11/20/17 10:00am
It is the OCs job to get them to execute. Calling plays is not #1 task for OC.
fulano
11/20/17 9:47am
I know. Just don't know why they think Chow is wrong.
BeefNoodleSoup
11/20/17 10:12am
I think he is right. Of course, execution needs to be taught and coached
Bob Vance
11/20/17 10:06am
If you are calling plays your team can't execute then it's bad play calling.
SpiffCoug
11/20/17 10:51am
At game #12 on the season it sure is, anyways.
mantis mutu
11/20/17 1:07pm
1. Yeah he wouldn’t be bias about Ty. 2. Playcalling is only one responsibility
Gerald-DeGroot
11/20/17 11:26am
i'm shocked that a guy who runs a similar offense from 1982 is supportive of the current scheme. that being said, he is
macaroni
11/20/17 11:57am
Norm Chow has run a variety of offenses.
CougarThug
11/20/17 2:20pm
RE: Norm Chow just said the playcalling
BlueTroop
11/20/17 12:22pm
Have Norm explain the 2nd down playcalling in the first half
HawkeyeCoug
11/20/17 12:33pm
The coaches job is to get the players to execute. It's still on the coaches.
fulano
11/20/17 1:51pm
Coaches have to stay on the sidelines. They can't do it all.
CougarThug
11/20/17 2:21pm
I am confident this is true. But there is a critical component missing.
BlueTooth
11/20/17 1:58pm
No one posting in this thread knows a fraction about running an offense
Cougrrrs Roll
11/20/17 2:15pm
According to the OP, Norm said he has "no idea what...happened on Saturday"
CougarLoyalist
11/20/17 2:19pm
I'm sure Young, Detmer, Rivers, Palmer, and Leinart would all agree with you.
CougarThug
11/20/17 2:25pm
I never said he got lucky or doesn't know anything.
CougarLoyalist
11/20/17 2:30pm
I trust the stats more than coachspeak
HawkeyeCoug
11/20/17 2:48pm
Sorry, but if you watched the Fresno game, UMASS was way better defensively
braddahmike
11/20/17 6:02pm
That’s funny, because today in coordinators corner TY said he came out too
yapacoug
11/20/17 6:19pm
Kalani said the same thing on the coaches show. There goes that narrative.
CougarLoyalist
11/20/17 6:22pm
"We"ve got to be more agressive" " we were too agressive!"...
CarolinaCoug
11/21/17 4:07am
Struggling with reading comprehension, are we?
Phcole
11/20/17 6:31pm
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