And that post confirms how important it is to get

Jan 26, 2015
9:44:35am

messi

these types.

Let's go with the hypothetical that the Collies are the type of family that Mantis describes.

Was having Austin Collie, the best WR ever at BYU, not worth any drama the Collie family might have caused??

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A reason BYU sometimes doesn't show early, hard interest in certain legacy kids

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 4:55am

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

lilpenny

1/26/15 5:51am

Not like BYU, they don't. Bringing up Meyer & Saban in this discussion is laugh

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 6:06am

Funny, Urban Meyer is trying to get Porter Gustin to commit to Ohio St.

lilpenny

1/26/15 8:47am

lilpenny, you may be the only one left who doesn't smell the rat in that one.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:50am

That's one way to look at it.

SJS

1/26/15 6:08am

My personal experience.

Blueto

1/26/15 6:34am

I'm sorry. I hope that works out. If I were in your shoes

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 6:40am

Has he reached out to BYU?

cougrfan70

1/26/15 2:21pm

That's not the way it works.

El Fuego

1/26/15 2:35pm

I disagree with you. My son is vying for scholarships at several

cougrfan70

1/26/15 5:09pm

exactly. and it's not even just on the player and university. the hs coach also

macaroni

1/26/15 8:02pm

He doesn't get to choose how the recruiting game is played. He needs the best

russkiejedi

1/26/15 6:49am

I disagree entirely. First & foremost he has a team to manage.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 6:51am

No, first and foremost, he has football games to win. And he's at a school where

russkiejedi

1/26/15 7:07am

Bronco's earlier recruiting model left a lot to be desired

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 7:19am

See blueto's comment above. I'm not talking about an offer, but why would BYU

russkiejedi

1/26/15 7:25am

Not to invalidate blueto's situation, but it's entirely anecdotal, no matter

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 7:36am

Again, I'm not talking about offers... I'm talking about interest. He's

russkiejedi

1/26/15 7:40am

Possibly. I don't know the situation, either way.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 7:45am

Again, I'm aware of the schollie crunch and not blaming BYU for anything. It's

Blueto

1/26/15 8:04am

I'm honestly sorry for your situation, blueto. I've just followed BYU recruiting

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:22am

But you follow it from the outside, with no real basis to draw from

macaroni

1/26/15 8:38am

Like I just said in this thread, the egos who put themselves over other players

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:45am

So who are you talking about, then?

russkiejedi

1/26/15 8:49am

So if we're willing to accept the nice, polished public statements of

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:53am

So what's the real reason they left? I don't even understand where you're going

russkiejedi

1/26/15 8:59am

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I take issue with your OP.

Blueto

1/26/15 8:14am

I never ever said that, man.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:18am

Then maybe you need to reexamine the way you're expressing your thoughts because

Non-donor troll

1/26/15 10:53am

Mind pointing out a single sentence?

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 11:07am

Really?

Non-donor troll

1/26/15 11:15am

I don't have a dog in this fight but it seems, from what I read on the board,

CrackerJack

1/26/15 9:38am

And that post confirms how important it is to get

messi

1/26/15 9:44am

I'm not arguing that at all.

CrackerJack

1/26/15 9:46am

Love the Collies, but I tend to agree. Austin seemed particularly bad.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:48am

But your OP seems to be an argument that BYU would be better off not having guys

russkiejedi

1/26/15 10:44am

Bull. Austin never played BYU in the recruiting process. And I never said

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 11:06am

Outside of Porter Gustin, who isn't getting an offer for reasons that have

russkiejedi

1/26/15 11:20am

then get used to 4 to 8 win seasons. athletes are who they are. what you've

macaroni

1/26/15 7:40am

I don't buy that the two priorities are mutually exclusive.

couldge

1/26/15 8:32am

Egos that put themselves over other players is one thing

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:40am

What a trial for the entire coaching staff

DapperDan

1/26/15 7:33am

Interesting choice for illustrating the tough life.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 7:39am

He's the only one that can appreciate just how tough Bronco has it

DapperDan

1/26/15 7:55am

I surely hope you're joking, Dapper.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:17am

So drama queen players are bad, but a drama queen head coach is okay?

Hoosier Coug

1/26/15 7:40am

RE: A reason BYU sometimes doesn't show early, hard interest in certain legacy

rckrunner

1/26/15 7:50am

"So they only have the potential to be distractions at BYU and not other places?

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 8:12am

What?

russkiejedi

1/26/15 8:16am

there could be some truth that bronco struggles to control players more than a

Bronoc

1/26/15 8:18am

huh?

macaroni

1/26/15 8:46am

Wha?

ebv

1/26/15 8:53am

Come again?

messi

1/26/15 9:18am

Wow, that made zero sense whatsoever.

Hoosier Coug

1/26/15 10:24am

So some kids who are distractions here would be distractions most anywhere?

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 4:44pm

RE: "So they only have the potential to be distractions at BYU and not other

rckrunner

1/26/15 5:39pm

So Bronco doesn't like D1 quality athletes...

Smoke Monster

1/26/15 7:52am

i can't take any of your posts seriously until you adequately explain why

nashty

1/26/15 8:46am

Newsflash: Elite athletes from elitely athletic families have elite egos.

ebv

1/26/15 8:52am

THIS^^^^^^^

HotBox

1/26/15 9:03am

And when their egos extend beyond other players to the team & school

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:10am

I find this answer completely unsatisfying, honestly

BYUtiful

1/26/15 9:12am

I'd agree if BYU didn't have such a unique problem being the uncool HC school

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:22am

RE: I'd agree if BYU didn't have such a unique problem being the uncool HC

DapperDan

1/26/15 9:24am

I was hoping I was dealing with something more than just hillbillies here.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:27am

i think you missed my point; the fact we're the uncool school is PRECISELY the

BYUtiful

1/26/15 10:32am

I think Bronco's way of dealing with this is to identify & offer as early as

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 11:10am

i think his approach has been successful at locking in the kind of kids he

BYUtiful

1/26/15 11:14am

It's his job to deal with these types; if he doesn't like it, he shouldn't coach

spinner

1/26/15 9:18am

Like all coaches he wants to use his time & resources on people

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:32am

He should use time and resources on WINNING

spinner

1/26/15 9:35am

Bronco deals with plenty of prima donnas every season, every recruiting class.

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:39am

Then why not legacy kids who are prima donnas?

spinner

1/26/15 9:51am

Each situation is unique. Some unhealthily entitled kids can be worked with

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 9:54am

But yet many go on to great careers at other schools

spinner

1/26/15 10:13am

I think he worries about the negative impact it has upon his team

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 10:21am

So why the OP then? What you're

macaroni

1/26/15 11:44am

I'm getting the impression that you don't know many

macaroni

1/26/15 11:34am

That's called, "recruiting"

ChopperDave

1/26/15 9:43am

News Flash Kids who feel entitled are usually worht it, which is WHY

CarolinaCoug

1/26/15 1:39pm

But BYU is in a particularly hard position for getting burned on this

Mantis Mutu

1/26/15 2:13pm

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