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Oct 22, 2014
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palangi
nope. you're wrong. get off your whack probability equation, I'm not talking
about probabilities
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Why does Dave Rose get a pass?
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 9:54am
Helps that Rose is good with fans and the media, while Bronco is a bit robotic
hessrp
10/22/14 9:56am
I agree.
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 9:56am
He also calls BYU fans names from the Old Testament that TNT doesn't understand
TNT
10/22/14 9:57am
Rose acts as if he likes the fans.
Hinta
10/22/14 9:58am
It goes a LONG way with the fan base with you know how to talk to them
marticorp
10/22/14 11:38am
Bronco gets a bad rap about his relationship with fans
trevnuke
10/22/14 12:49pm
Yep, I've had one run in with Bronco and he treated me very well.
Freddie Cougar
10/22/14 1:16pm
What a strange post.
messi
10/23/14 8:03am
Just relating what happened.
Freddie Cougar
10/23/14 8:40am
Rose hasn't sniffed WCC title. I think your hangup is a personality based one...
PhilPete
10/22/14 9:58am
I think being in the championship = sniffed. Gonzaga is good and deep
jota
10/22/14 9:59am
Winning conf tourney is far from title.
PhilPete
10/22/14 10:01am
Yep. Gonzaga is our road block in the WCC, and they are a great team. We need
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:01am
Hardly. We got dumptrucked, and have never really been close to winning it
Iman23
10/22/14 10:03am
That's strange. I laid out my reasons in my post. Feel free to read it.
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:00am
You give Rose that break because of personality. I think you equate a percieved
PhilPete
10/22/14 10:04am
It's adorable that you think you can put words in my mouth like that.
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:08am
Its even more adorable you cannot admit your bias, "Precious".
PhilPete
10/22/14 10:09am
So you argue that Rose's program is not in a better state than football?
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:10am
Not my point at all. Basketball has issues too. Making the tourney is not
PhilPete
10/22/14 10:16am
First of all, the 64th best team goes to the NIT
BlueK
10/22/14 10:22am
Yeah all he got was a Sweet 16
SBJ
10/22/14 10:01am
the team hit some low points last year and while everyone was writing them off
BlueK
10/22/14 9:58am
I recall some pretty sad home losses to 2d tier WCC teams. I think the number of
QuinneyCoug
10/22/14 9:59am
At the end of the day I agree with you. It's dumb to compare the two.
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:03am
They have both been fine, but Rose had a standout year in 2011.
QuinneyCoug
10/22/14 10:05am
Given that finding a replacement is not a trivial matter, let me ask you this
BlueK
10/22/14 10:10am
You're probably right. I guess our WCC record has left me underwhelmed.
QuinneyCoug
10/22/14 10:12am
I definitely agree that the transition to the WCC has been hard
BlueK
10/22/14 10:20am
the wheels were definitely coming off last December.
Iman23
10/22/14 10:00am
And yet they bounced back and made the tourney.
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:03am
Agreed. It was an awesome display of resiliency. I still think we were gifted a
Iman23
10/22/14 10:08am
I don't think he's gotten a pass. People here have questioned Rose's ability
byujacob
10/22/14 10:02am
Sure, but I think it's fair to say he receives less criticism of Bronco.
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:04am
Main reason: People care more about football.
Baron
10/22/14 10:03am
Football is just a more scrutinized sport. Lot's more money involved.
sheriffcreg
10/22/14 10:04am
it really is this simple. and the Sweet 16 is the basketball equivalent of BCS
palangi
10/22/14 10:08am
If the consensus is that a sweet 16 equals a BCS bowl, isn't that reason enough
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:09am
yes that was my point
palangi
10/22/14 10:18am
Really? How many BCS bowls were there? Five. Were there 3 teams playing
PhilPete
10/22/14 10:11am
How many D1 football programs are there vs D1 basketball programs?
foofcoug
10/22/14 10:14am
FB: 10 out of 119 make bcs = 8% Bball: 16 of 351 = 5%
palangi
10/22/14 10:17am
351, all of which are powerhouses. Absolute powerhouses.
PhilPete
10/22/14 10:22am
most bowl teams in college football are also NOT powerhouses
BlueK
10/22/14 10:26am
a lot more parity in bball than football: Butler, Wichita St, Gonzaga, St Mary's
palangi
10/22/14 10:35am
Also,making the tournament in bball is equivalent of a top 25 finish in football
palangi
10/22/14 10:22am
For BYU it is more like 3.5% for the BCS and 5.5% for Sweet 16.
Blue Cat
10/22/14 10:49am
ummm....no.
palangi
10/22/14 11:36am
It's not overthinking. It's simply having knowledge of how the sports work.
Blue Cat
10/22/14 11:41am
nope. you're wrong. get off your whack probability equation, I'm not talking
palangi
10/22/14 11:44am
I apologize. You were talking about the sports globally not as it applies to BYU
Blue Cat
10/22/14 11:48am
I agree with this - But it would make for a good related thread.
sheriffcreg
10/22/14 10:37am
Rose isn't the one taking a yewt on a top 20 program. He's building one.
Walter Bellhaven
10/22/14 10:10am
We might have been top 20 with a healthy team. We're not anymore.
HuskerFan2
10/22/14 10:33am
Welcome to football I guess.
Walter Bellhaven
10/22/14 10:42am
I've heard Bronco thank the fans a lot more than I've heard Rose
StantonMac
10/22/14 10:12am
Every basketball program has good high school talent reasonably close.
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:14am
Yeah, Payton Dastrup took no work at all
BlueK
10/22/14 10:28am
All I'm saying is Rose isn't having to turn over as many rocks to find
StantonMac
10/22/14 10:36am
That's crap. The challenge isn't finding them. Everyone knows who the good
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:38am
Lower expectations in general for basketball
cougarbart
10/22/14 10:12am
WAAAY more pressure in FB than BB.
Coug Eastwood
10/22/14 10:38am
Also just the nature of the sports
cougarbart
10/22/14 12:13pm
RE: Why does Dave Rose get a pass?
diz_dat223322
10/22/14 10:13am
Rose has only lost to Utah 4 times; he has a 12-4 record (.750) against Utah.
Ute in DC
10/22/14 10:13am
Not a bad point. A lot of my frustration with Bronco stems from his inability
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:16am
But Utah has been horrible during most of his tenure
Freddie Cougar
10/22/14 10:34am
hmm, so maybe we should knock Lavell down a bit
BlueK
10/22/14 10:35am
Um, what?
Freddie Cougar
10/22/14 10:39am
I'm not a Bronco hater, but Utah sucked during Lavell's dominance of them
BlueK
10/22/14 10:56am
All I'm saying is that if the different treatment of Dave and Bronco by fans
Freddie Cougar
10/22/14 11:07am
That's false. Most of the last several years we have been favored in football
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:41am
Um, haven't been good or have just faced much tougher competition?
Freddie Cougar
10/22/14 10:50am
Your last sentence pretty much tells me how worth my time it will be to argue
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 10:52am
But it is worth your time to correct spelling.
roseyscenario
10/22/14 11:41am
Ok ding dong, can you please post a link to where I corrected someone's
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 11:46am
Anyone ever teach you any manners?
roseyscenario
10/22/14 11:59am
I'm confused. It's not like I hunted you down to talk to you. You responded to
Epileptic Beagle
10/22/14 12:06pm
You can lose a lot of games in basketball and still be in the mix.
squashem
10/22/14 10:37am
There will always be more heat on the football coach.
Crush4
10/22/14 10:41am
We as fans are allowed to be as biased as we want with personality,
curlydurvish
10/22/14 11:43am
We can tell he's there to coach basketball and win games not...
CougarEatU
10/23/14 5:04am
Meant for OP
CougarEatU
10/23/14 5:08am
I don't believe anyone who write in red. Loses all credibiliy in my book!!
COUGAR_Blue_Avenger
10/22/14 12:25pm
RE: Rose is a stud. So is Bronco.
Coogar2
10/22/14 1:05pm
Rose does not patronize the fans and we fans have less expectation of
TolerancePlease
10/23/14 9:08am
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