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Jan 9, 2025
10:02:26am
macdizzle All-American
To be clear, my argument is NOT that BY ordered it, nor is it that he would have
ordered it had he known about it.

Rather, my argument is twofold:

1) An Apostle was there in the days prior to the massacre and spent days and multiple meetings discussing what to do. I consider it very unlikely that a group of hyper-religious people would have directly disobeyed an Apostle's orders/counsel days after he left. So at absolute best, the counsel left open the possibility of killing everyone.

2) Overall Climate - Keep in mind that the Old West was a violent place. Vigilante justice was common. Utah was, in some ways better and in some ways worse. There was generally less lawlessness in Utah, but there was certainly a climate of religious zealotry in Utah in the 1850s and 1860s that led to multiple instances of violence toward apostates, 'sinners', Indians, non-Mormon settlers etc. Go read some BY, Jedediah Grant, or Heber C Kimball speeches from this time. It's red hot rhetoric. Violence was in the air. This isn't even debatable in my estimation.
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