No, by the total package. But I do believe that Super Bowl wins are much more

Dec 25, 2024
3:28:54pm

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about the team, and not just the QB, or even primarily the QB. QBs tend too get way too much credit and way too much blame.

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One somewhat overlooked QB star

Archaea

Dec 25, 3:05pm

Bradshaw was good, but not great. Not a Top 25 QB. Maybe not Top 50.

Japan Coug

Dec 25, 3:07pm

4 SBs and 2 MVPs and not top 50?

Archaea

Dec 25, 3:11pm

it’s just hard because he played in an era where passing stats weren’t great…

PHXSUNS31

Dec 25, 3:13pm

Tough audience. His leadership was special.

Archaea

Dec 25, 3:16pm

That I can’t speak on…I wasn’t alive

PHXSUNS31

Dec 25, 4:04pm

Correct. There are 22 starters in football, and the QB is only on the field for

Japan Coug

Dec 25, 3:14pm

Who are the other QBs that have multiple SB wins who are considered pedestrian?

SierraCoug

Dec 25, 3:20pm

Troy Aikman wasn’t all that great, and he won 3 Super Bowls. He was better than

Japan Coug

Dec 25, 3:24pm

So you define greatness only by stats, not leadership

Archaea

Dec 25, 3:25pm

No, by the total package. But I do believe that Super Bowl wins are much more

Japan Coug

Dec 25, 3:28pm

So Brady and Mahomes aren’t special?

Archaea

Dec 25, 3:31pm

I didn’t say that. I think Mahomes is probably the best QB in NFL history.

Japan Coug

Dec 25, 3:32pm

But his stats are pedestrian this year.

Archaea

Dec 25, 3:33pm

He will end his career with Top 5-type stats in most advanced analytics, IMO. To

Japan Coug

Dec 25, 3:35pm

Greatest QB’s today? Of Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, & Lamar only 1 has any rings

arcawley

Dec 25, 3:32pm

I don’t think Aikman was better. They each had 9 seasons with adjusted passer

Odysseus

Dec 25, 3:34pm

That’s fine, I don’t feel strongly about that point. I do feel strongly that

Japan Coug

Dec 25, 3:39pm

Both considered better than Steve Young?

Archaea

Dec 25, 3:40pm

Only 13 QBs have won an MVP and a Super Bowl in their careers. Bradshaw is one

Odysseus

Dec 25, 3:49pm

He won 2 SB MVP

Archaea

Dec 25, 3:21pm

He won 4 Super Bowls. Eli Manning will likely be in the HOF too, having won two.

Japan Coug

Dec 25, 3:33pm

I suspect the downgrading of Bradshaw is recency bias

Archaea

Dec 25, 3:38pm

I thought that of Bradshaw back when I was in middle school. Only difference is

Japan Coug

Dec 25, 3:43pm

You have to look at eras. Barr Starr has poor stats

Archaea

Dec 25, 3:45pm

Bart Starr was much better than Bradshaw.

Japan Coug

Dec 25, 3:54pm

QB ratings are always subjective, but most publications I reviewed have Bradshaw between 15-20 on list of all-time best

SierraCoug

Dec 25, 3:50pm

I heard Howie Long say that Marino was the best thrower of the football He had ever seen. Probably the quickest release

Osteotome

Dec 25, 5:33pm

Bradshaw is not top 10

HimmerFredette

Dec 25, 3:13pm

I think he’s neck and neck with Elway when adjusting for the eras they played in

Odysseus

Dec 25, 3:37pm

I thought Elway was much better than Bradshaw.

Japan Coug

Dec 25, 4:02pm

Elway carried his team to 3 superbowls. Name his best offensive weapon for the

cougaman

Dec 25, 4:38pm

I remember when he lost the starting job to Joe Gilliam, his backup also played really well. He was good and really

Osteotome

Dec 25, 4:22pm

TB is top 20.

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