I don't believe anyone in this thread suggested that empathy is trying to remove consequences. Empathy and justice are

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Dec 20, 2024
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unctoothman To extract or not to extract..

compatible; empathy and bloodlust or vengeance are not, however.

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I’m sorry but I have to say something. Some of you on this board don’t seem to

ColonelMustard

Dec 19, 9:02pm

Well said.

ChiCityCoug

Dec 19, 9:05pm

Kid? Was it a 7 year old? I thought he was older than that.

BYUtka

Dec 19, 9:06pm

He’s an adult. Adults who assault people should face steep consequences. He’ll pay the consequence and he’ll be fine.

YIsForBrigham

Dec 19, 9:07pm

Consequences have one purpose. To produce a change of heart and a change of

RobDog

Dec 19, 9:19pm

Restitution and justice

YIsForBrigham

Dec 19, 9:23pm

I appreciate your perspective. Here’s another point of view

RobDog

Dec 19, 9:34pm

Interesting.

coolblue

Dec 20, 6:56am

Consequences also serve as a deterrent to other committing similar crimes.

Ycrazy

Dec 19, 9:26pm

How many people do you think who might be I a similar situation in the future

cougarfann888

Dec 19, 9:31pm

Deterrence, punishment

wildeone

Dec 19, 9:47pm

Not so. The consequences are in place to pay a societal debt.

spoxjox

Dec 19, 10:04pm

I like the texting while driving analogy from OP. Everyone has done stupid

spidercoug

Dec 19, 9:20pm

Texting is not an act of malice chucking a water bottle is malicious

Ycrazy

Dec 19, 9:29pm

So texting while driving is perfectly safe and can't hurt anyone?

spidercoug

Dec 19, 9:32pm

No it is an act of negligence and should be prosecuted but you don’t start

Ycrazy

Dec 19, 9:37pm

Texting while driving is worse because the potential for life altering damage

fatcracker

Dec 19, 9:43pm

Following legal debates on CB is hilarious. What are we even talking about?

MarylandFan

Dec 20, 2:10am

Let’s put it this way. Husband and wife two different scenarios. First husband is texting and causes an accident. Wife

JohnnyComeLately

Dec 20, 12:08pm

That's not what he said.

Ghost of Peanut

Dec 19, 9:39pm

My point is both are stupid decisions that can hurt people.

spidercoug

Dec 19, 9:40pm

Do you not understand intent at all?

JohnnyComeLately

Dec 20, 2:12pm

The whole point of throwing a water bottle into a crowd is trying to hit someone

ochobeeguy

Dec 19, 10:10pm

You think the over 100 people who threw things were all trying to hit someone? And they nearly all just happened to miss

HarlemCoug

Dec 19, 10:18pm

We penalize everyone who gets caught driving drunk, but we penalize people who

spoxjox

Dec 19, 10:21pm

Agreed

HarlemCoug

Dec 19, 10:28pm

I think you are infering intent that you can't possibly know.

NonmormonYfan89

Dec 20, 9:06am

Yep. Exactly. He’s 18, a legal adult. Not a “kid” any more.

lightmann

Dec 19, 9:48pm

But, come on, he is still a kid. Mentally, his brain has quite a long way to go

cougsareforreal

Dec 20, 4:25am

Seriously? Tell me, why do we let 18-year-old children with undeveloped brains

spoxjox

Dec 20, 9:03am

Because they are much more likely to be paying taxes at 18 and it feels wrong to have them paying taxes without a chance

HarlemCoug

Dec 20, 12:19pm

Because it "feels wrong"? That's your decision criterion. How old are you?

spoxjox

Dec 20, 1:03pm

My 14-year-old worked at Dairy Queen for years. I guess he should have been able

spoxjox

Dec 20, 1:07pm

I care more about the lesson being learned by anyone who may consider

CougarCanuck76

Dec 19, 9:10pm

Agreed

ColonelMustard

Dec 19, 9:13pm

If he was a "good kid" why was he cheering for the Yewts?

BYUtka

Dec 19, 9:16pm

Solid point - I'll have to reconsider my stance.

HarlemCoug

Dec 19, 9:18pm

RE: If he was a "good kid" why was he cheering for the Yewts?

RalphWiggam

Dec 19, 9:24pm

Maybe a good kid, who knows? Maybe he's gotten away with the same behavior many times before. He'll probably get what

ManicBlue

Dec 19, 9:16pm

I think the line of thinking that this could ruin his life is exaggerated. Maybe

YbeatsU

Dec 19, 9:23pm

RE: I’m sorry but I have to say something. Some of you on this board

Russell Feathers

Dec 19, 9:12pm

So what if the victim died? Or was permanently injured? Still empathy a little

Ycrazy

Dec 19, 9:14pm

These threads aren't about that. Had she died, it changes things significantly. Jail time would be a must. It would be

HarlemCoug

Dec 19, 9:20pm

But why?! The kid saw others doing it? Who among us hasn't made mistakes?!

MarylandFan

Dec 20, 2:12am

That's not what the OP said at all. Nothing in what he said has anything to do with the victim dying.

HarlemCoug

Dec 20, 6:44am

You can’t really make the case for harsh punishment on those grounds because

garyfan

Dec 19, 9:34pm

Throw water bottle. Charge: attempted murder. Does seem a bit extreme.

Best Guess

Dec 19, 9:55pm

He’s only a lad. You really can’t blame him.

maizecoug

Dec 19, 9:17pm

Society made him. He’s our responsibility.

Cougar Jazz Fan

Dec 19, 9:27pm

Sung Danny Elfman several thousand times.

DazeofBlue

Dec 19, 10:39pm

Is he, perhaps, a little bit confused?

Emmett Fitz-Hume

Dec 19, 11:05pm

Why does this even matter. No opinion on CB is going to change the outcome.

Tio

Dec 19, 9:23pm

Not mad but I’d like to think this board is better than 3 Utes in a basement.

DiamondMo

Dec 19, 10:25pm

He’s a Ute. Lock him up and throw the keys away.

shimmy

Dec 19, 9:25pm

I did worse things many times in my teens.

Covid-19

Dec 19, 9:27pm

I wasn't 18, but I did something much, much worse more than once.

Belboz

Dec 19, 9:38pm

No empathy here. He didn’t even turn himself in. His dad did.

DavisCoCoug

Dec 19, 9:29pm

Dad was a great example to his son.

Covid-19

Dec 19, 9:32pm

Dad tried to protect him and get out of stadium when confronted

Count Cougar

Dec 19, 9:59pm

RE: Dad was a great example to his son.

royalbluemenace

Dec 20, 12:41am

To my knowledge there is no mandatory minimum jail time for aggravated assault

cougarfann888

Dec 19, 9:34pm

The dad likely turned him in with his son’s cooperation.

garyfan

Dec 19, 9:35pm

What is the appropriate “time” for unintended assault with a water bottle?

Soupie

Dec 19, 9:38pm

The article implied he was throwing the bottle at the cheerleaders, so he was

Ghost of Peanut

Dec 19, 9:42pm

“Implied?”

Soupie

Dec 19, 9:51pm

Meaning he wasn't just throwing it at the field and hadn't seen the cheerleaders

Ghost of Peanut

Dec 19, 9:53pm

Does it make a difference if the beverage was beer or Pepsi? It was

yahtzee

Dec 19, 10:24pm

The dad turned him in with the kid's permission. It was Sunday, you don't have your 18 year old call the cops without a

HarlemCoug

Dec 19, 9:46pm

You really think wealthy dude can't get his attorney to respond on Sunday?

Sid Vicious

Dec 20, 12:08am

I think they spoke to a lawyer on the phone on Sunday and were advised to call the police and turn him in on Monday when

HarlemCoug

Dec 20, 6:45am

Dad turned him in after they realized there was video evidence of where the bottle came from. Not saying it wasn’t hard,

BYU Tar Heel

Dec 20, 6:36am

The kid will be fine. Good for him to learn a lesson. Any conviction thrown at him will be reasonable and he’ll recover

Haysom Till

Dec 19, 9:42pm

He was just a lil guy trying to buy some skittles.

Haysom Till

Dec 19, 9:44pm

Thanks. Give the kid a break.

Cswilliam01

Dec 19, 9:47pm

"Used the radio while driving" is akin to texting while driving? Wow.

Bob Vance

Dec 19, 9:51pm

If that is all it is then why is she pressing charges.

maYbe

Dec 19, 9:53pm

Medical bills including concussion treatments.

Soupie

Dec 19, 10:00pm

There will definitely be a civil suit and rightfully so. Seems pretty standard in a case like this. She has real claims

HarlemCoug

Dec 19, 10:02pm

I don't know her symptoms and if they'll last forever

Belboz

Dec 19, 10:36pm

Okay, Karen.

Mjolnir

Dec 19, 10:05pm

I’m not sure that means what you think it means

DiamondMo

Dec 19, 10:38pm

Ironic in that Colonial Mustard kills people with a wrench, rope and gun, etc.

Future_Tacos

Dec 19, 10:27pm

Obviously desensitized from being around all that killing

BYU Tar Heel

Dec 20, 6:39am

Hahaha well played 😂

ColonelMustard

Dec 20, 11:15am

Entitled rich kids should be

airbug

Dec 19, 10:59pm

While the outcomes could be similar or even worse, are you actually comparing

Emmett Fitz-Hume

Dec 19, 11:10pm

Could not agree more. I'm honestly stunned how many seem to be calling for

CougaRR4L

Dec 19, 11:11pm

Most of us feel exactly the same as you. I am glad the 👍 >>>>>👎. Well said.

JWin

Dec 19, 11:37pm

I agree we’ve all done stupid things

Blue Heart

Dec 19, 11:51pm

💯💯

USOblue

Dec 20, 1:28am

Apology accepted.

cheezedawg

Dec 20, 1:43am

"Not many of us have thrown water bottles at crowds.I get that."

MarylandFan

Dec 20, 2:04am

He's 18

Mon

Dec 20, 6:33am

💯

gww687

Dec 20, 7:16am

This board treats so many things as zero sum. No gray areas in life. No mercy or grace.

Bonoman

Dec 20, 7:55am

RE: I’m sorry but I have to say something. Some of you on this board

OldFogey

Dec 20, 8:18am

I believe I have empathy. If I were in his situation I would feel absolutely

downtownchrisbrown

Dec 20, 8:23am

I don't believe anyone in this thread suggested that empathy is trying to remove consequences. Empathy and justice are

unctoothman

Dec 20, 8:26am

I’m sorry but those aren’t great comparisons

BYU'01

Dec 20, 8:53am

Ya, I find it a little disheartening when I see people grabbing the pitchforks… but if it had been their son?..

NonmormonYfan89

Dec 20, 9:01am

What if it had been your daughter, wife, sister?

downtownchrisbrown

Dec 20, 11:30am

Criminal prison time does nothing to fix that situation. A civil suit

CougaRR4L

Dec 20, 12:04pm

Dang beat me too it.

NonmormonYfan89

Dec 20, 12:20pm

If that's the case, I’d suggest settling it civilly personally.

NonmormonYfan89

Dec 20, 12:19pm

Empathy for 18 yr old yes. But not the U

Coug Dude

Dec 20, 9:40am

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