If we win out, we are in. If ISU wins out, we are in with one loss to anyone.

Oct 31, 2024
8:47:09am

SouthernCoug All-American

If KSU beats ISU we are in with one loss only if that loss comes against ASU.

At least that's what the calculator tells us.

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Listened to Kurtz explain B12 championship & I think BYU has to win out to get

SBB

4:49am

His assumption is that the tie breaker will be decided by conference opponent

cougar4life55

4:58am

Maybe i misunderstood or fell asleep.

SBB

5:00am

No, I think Kurtz just missed the fact that once the first seed is placed the

cougar4life55

5:02am

There is some ambiguity on if the K St win would count or not. The wording in

RGGeemer

5:24am

I read that argument, but how would it not? Once K-state is chosen as seed one,

cougar4life55

5:36am

A couple of items: 1) It reads 'NEXT highest seeded team' which implies the team

RGGeemer

6:24am

How is KSU not the next-highest in this scenario? It doesn’t say “next-lowest”.

Japan Coug

6:51am

I agree #1 doesn't make sense. Most people don't interpret it that way. #2

RGGeemer

7:12am

RE: There is some ambiguity on if the K St win would count or not. The wording

Tricky

9:19am

THat's #1. I can't imagine they interpret it 'next highest' though, but it's

RGGeemer

10:01am

It's ambiguous

rcbyufan

8:27am

Number1 tie breaker is he’d to head. If we all had 1 loss most likely BYU is 1

ImuaKahuku

10:25am

Incorrect. Head to head is not counted in multi-team tiebreakers unless 1) all

RGGeemer

10:30am

You sure about that?

ImuaKahuku

12:17pm

Thats only for a two team tie, need to read the 3+ team tiebreaker

BYUFootballisBack

12:25pm

BYU gets in CCG in all 1-loss tiebreakers if our 1 L is to ASU

RGGeemer

5:23am

I don't think it matters who we lose to. If BYU loses to Utah, Houston, or

cougar4life55

5:35am

Maybe - there is ambiguity in that interpretation. The online tiebreaker

RGGeemer

6:25am

He gives a good breakdown of why he interprets it this way here:

RGGeemer

6:28am

This is just some internet rando. His opinion is no better than anyone else’s,

Japan Coug

6:49am

I don't agree with it either. . . But I have accepted that not everything

Zoobieman

7:06am

Sure, I hope he's wrong. All that matters is how the conference interprets it.

RGGeemer

7:12am

Unless ISU loses to KSU. Then we get in ONLY if our loss is to ASU

SouthernCoug

8:50am

Isn't that what I said? We get in no matter what if our L is to ASU.

RGGeemer

9:03am

No, but I also didn't exactly respond to what you did say either, so...

SouthernCoug

10:19am

How did you interpret this?

RGGeemer

10:24am

As you did, but I was making the point that if ISU wins out, BYU gets in

SouthernCoug

10:57am

Gotcha. Yep also true.

RGGeemer

11:02am

I thought we could lose to Houston and still be in as well (but not both)

Lanterne Rouge

9:12am

In a 4-way tie with Colorado, that's true. In a 3-way with ISU and KSU, it's

RGGeemer

10:02am

Ah, thank you. That makes sense.

Lanterne Rouge

10:09am

RE: Unless ISU loses to KSU. Then we get in ONLY if our loss is to ASU

Japan Coug

9:22am

I dont think this is true. After H2H the next rule is record against the HIGHEST

MaximusMeridius

12:08pm

Maybe. There is ambiguity about if the K St W would count or not in our 2-way

RGGeemer

12:17pm

It's a good thing BYU is at their easier part of their schedule right now.

greatbam

5:51am

Ha ha. Very funny.

Happy As Larry

9:33am

What? Do you think Utah is going to be more difficult than UCF was last weekend? I don't. ASU IMO would be the..

greatbam

9:42am

Utah's D will be lightyears better than UCF's.

RGGeemer

10:03am

It will be different though. UCF was elite 1-dimensional offense w/ bad defense

rcbyufan

10:31am

BYU is in good shape

I'mBatman

11:35am

I am just going to wait after the Kansas game to buy tickets. . .

Zoobieman

7:04am

BYU has the predicted best record based on past performance and opponents

NYC and Japan

7:24am

Colorado would need to lose another one and Iowa St would need to beat KSU

Blue Ghost

8:18am

We are in the CCG in all 1-loss tiebreakers if our L is to ASU.

RGGeemer

8:25am

Ok. I believe you. So we better beat Utah.

Blue Ghost

8:39am

If Iowa State beats KState, 8-1 BYU would win the tiebreaker against Colorado

Zoobieman

8:40am

What is the tiebreaker? We have one of the easiest Big-12 Schedules

Blue Ghost

8:45am

I think we would be in due to record against common opponents (7-0 vs 6-1)

SouthernCoug

8:53am

Record vs common opponents.

RGGeemer

9:03am

If we win out, we are in. If ISU wins out, we are in with one loss to anyone.

SouthernCoug

8:47am

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RGGeemer

9:03am

Doesn't Colorado already have 2 losses?

NonmormonYfan89

9:13am

In-conference losses

Happy As Larry

9:35am

Not in conference

RGGeemer

10:03am

Well KSU winning in Ames is a pretty tall order

runningryan

9:56am

Not correct. Casey Lundquist did a podcast on this & I recapped it:

MaximusMeridius

9:58am

Link to the podcast where he talks about the B12 official interpretation?

RGGeemer

10:04am

Found it, giving it a listen.

RGGeemer

10:04am

Yep it was in the post I linked. Definitely worth a listen

MaximusMeridius

10:09am

He said 'Caveat, we have sent an email to confirm we are interpreting this

RGGeemer

10:12am

I've been checking the site daily to see if he's gotten an update 🙁

MaximusMeridius

10:14am

Later he also said 'This is what we are waiting for confirmation on, but this is

RGGeemer

10:15am

Yep. And his interpretation makes sense..I'd be highly surprised if he's wrong

MaximusMeridius

11:28am

Makes sense to me. But it is up to the official conference interpretation.

RGGeemer

11:36am

We SHOULD win out

runningryan

10:13am

This isn't right, there's really only 2 scenarios a 1 loss BYU doesn't get in

stansburycoug

10:39am

We can still get in if KSU beats ISU with 1 loss, that 1 loss can only be to ASU

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